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#2765576 23-Aug-2021 16:47

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………like to see either Boshier or Kirifi on the openside, they're are clearly faster than Papalii, .…..

You can put a line through Boshier, he’s already been told he’s not in the mix. That’s why he’s heading to Japan. Which is a shame for the Chiefs but not for him. Got to make the money while it’s on offer.

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#2765578 23-Aug-2021 16:50

rippa:

Foster has to take full responsibility for the starting 15 & bench as he is the head coach so has the final say.

Sure, but that doesn't account for a number of our first-choice players being injured etc. All teams have injuries, but it's a contributing factor. Retallack isn't near his best yet after his stint away, add it together, it's not that easy.

Like in Half Back, the number 2 choice in a fair number of positions is quite some way from our first choice.

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#2765693 23-Aug-2021 22:08

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rippa:

………like to see either Boshier or Kirifi on the openside, they're are clearly faster than Papalii, .…..

You can put a line through Boshier, he’s already been told he’s not in the mix. That’s why he’s heading to Japan. Which is a shame for the Chiefs but not for him. Got to make the money while it’s on offer.

Reckon Foster doesn't have good rugby nous... blokes like Boshier & Kirifi should've been in the mix at 7 as they really suit the ABs fast paced game.

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#2765694 23-Aug-2021 22:20

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Reckon Foster doesn't have good rugby nous... blokes like Boshier & Kirifi should've been in the mix at 7 as they really suit the ABs fast paced game.

So, you believe that Hansen, arguably the best Rugby coach in the world, kept Foster on for his good looks? If you don't think Foster was a decent-sized part of the coaching team (for 8 years!) that led the AB's during their strongest period of dominance, then I am really not sure what to tell you.

You mentioned Fosters time in charge of the Chiefs, to which I point out 2 things. One, are you any better, or have you learned anything in the past 8 years? If so, you can assume that Foster, as part of the coaching team Hansen led (Which was largely based around the 'better every day' mantra, may have learned something too, secondly, did you see Hansens records with Wales? 11 straight losses, their worst run ever bar none.

I presume you have some respect for Fox as a selector, he agreed to stay on with Foster. Do you not think that means Fox has some faith in Foster's abilities?

NZR aren't stupid. If they genuinely felt he had zero chance of doing something positive for the AB's, do you really think they would have hired him?

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#2765699 23-Aug-2021 22:59

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rippa:

Reckon Foster doesn't have good rugby nous... blokes like Boshier & Kirifi should've been in the mix at 7 as they really suit the ABs fast paced game.

So, you believe that Hansen, arguably the best Rugby coach in the world, kept Foster on for his good looks? If you don't think Foster was a decent-sized part of the coaching team (for 8 years!) that led the AB's during their strongest period of dominance, then I am really not sure what to tell you.

You mentioned Fosters time in charge of the Chiefs, to which I point out 2 things. One, are you any better, or have you learned anything in the past 8 years? If so, you can assume that Foster, as part of the coaching team Hansen led (Which was largely based around the 'better every day' mantra, may have learned something too, secondly, did you see Hansens records with Wales? 11 straight losses, their worst run ever bar none.

I presume you have some respect for Fox as a selector, he agreed to stay on with Foster. Do you not think that means Fox has some faith in Foster's abilities?

NZR aren't stupid. If they genuinely felt he had zero chance of doing something positive for the AB's, do you really think they would have hired him?

Mate, Hansen was a good coach not a great one... in the last year leading into the WC he kept changing players too much, even through the Rugby Championship where we finished bottom, then when we got to the WC we lacked shape & continuity.

In those last 2 tests against the Lions in NZ our backs were constantly smothered by their defence, yet we didn't have the brains to change our tactics by kicking intelligently behind them into space to turn them around, instead we just keep running into them so went nowhere, if need be you have to change tactics depending on the situation of the game.

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#2765700 23-Aug-2021 23:03

Have posted a few times on this thread but didn't work... anyone else having the same problem ?

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#2765706 24-Aug-2021 00:01

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networkn:

NZR aren't stupid. If they genuinely felt he had zero chance of doing something positive for the AB's, do you really think they would have hired him?

I reckon we don't have the right people on the NZRU Board with good rugby sense, that was shown by them not selecting the obvious bloke for the job

Henry was the head of the selection panel in selecting the head coach... a few weeks after Foster been appointed Henry said on tv, " I think we appointed the wrong coach " hilarious! he played a big part in picking him.

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#2765932 24-Aug-2021 12:10

Well, for better or worse (and to be clear I don't really have a horse in this race) Foster and his current team are the coaches to the RWC 2023, after which I'd assume he will stand down and Razor will take over potentially.

With a 73% win rate, and 2 Bledisloes, including a record win, I felt it was all but inevitable. It's perhaps not the start to an AB coaches tenure we might have ideally liked, but hard to sack a guy under those circumstances I think...

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#2766040 24-Aug-2021 15:47

Very difficult for any AB coach to have a poor winning record because of the huge amount of talent we have, so Foster was always going to go through to the 2023 RWC.

I'm not a Crusaders supporter, just wanted the best coach available no matter what part of the country they come from.

Wasn't that impressed with the record win against Aussie... thought we scored 4 very soft tries in that match, two from intercepts, the other two by slack defending down the blindside.

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#2766126 24-Aug-2021 17:18

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Wasn't that impressed with the record win against Aussie... thought we scored 4 very soft tries in that match, two from intercepts, the other two by slack defending down the blindside.

So what you're trying to say is the AB's were great at reading the game and taking the opportunities.

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#2766131 24-Aug-2021 17:25

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rippa:

Wasn't that impressed with the record win against Aussie... thought we scored 4 very soft tries in that match, two from intercepts, the other two by slack defending down the blindside.

So what you're trying to say is the AB's were great at reading the game and taking the opportunities.

I think this might be the first time we have agreed about something Rugby related :)

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#2766134 24-Aug-2021 17:30

networkn:

I think this might be the first time we have agreed about something Rugby related :)

Had to happen sooner or later...

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#2766264 25-Aug-2021 00:01

tukapa1:

rippa:

Wasn't that impressed with the record win against Aussie... thought we scored 4 very soft tries in that match, two from intercepts, the other two by slack defending down the blindside.

So what you're trying to say is the AB's were great at reading the game and taking the opportunities.

not my point... naturally a huge part of the game is making the most of your opportunities, including really punishing the oppositions mistakes.

As said they were very soft tries... if an Ab missed an easy tackle on an opposition player & they scored a try through it of course it would be a soft try too, because it would be.

Intercept tries are real gifts to all teams, all sides are guilty of it because of their lack of thought... all defences are constantly standing up flat hunting for intercepts, so it's up to each attacking player to be alert by having a quick scan for a split second to see if it's on to pass or not, otherwise it's just dumb rugby to just pass the ball out wide as fast as you can blindly.

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#2766555 25-Aug-2021 15:42

Don't see a lot of diff between our top 3 halfbacks, Smith, Perenara & Weber... Smith's pass is a little bit quicker than the other two, but they are both faster than him, also Perenara is the much bigger halfback of the 3, so he's more powerful through tackles making him very dangerous near the other teams goal line.

What annoys me about Smith is his obsession for box kicking, even if a player executes an accurate box kick you only have a 50/50 chance of getting it back, also you slightly overweight the ball downfield you end up giving easy possession away... I like to see a 9 vary his tactics behind the scrum & rucks, would start Perenara or Weber in the halfback slot.

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#2766558 25-Aug-2021 15:46

If anything the All Blacks need to be getting the replacement for all 3 ready. Because all 3 are going to go around the same time I would think.

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