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  #2899802 11-Apr-2022 12:16
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It was not a 50/50 call.  Barrett grabbed his arm in the air, if you want to compete - taking out the man ->Penalty, 2nd he lay on the ground over Savea with no attempt to roll away So even if it was a legitimate sack (it wasnt he was in the air) he is required to roll away and he did not ->Penalty.  When did you last see an unplayable ball call from a lineout?  Just watch the replay and say those two things didn't happen. 

 

As for the reason to going for touch, why would you not?  Possession 5m from their line, what is the benefit in going to golden point where possession is decided by a coin toss and then taken on the 22m line in your own half.  One has to expect better from the officiating.  If you are going to remove captains challenges then they need to do better.

 

Arguments about what way calls went previously are irrelevant, the discussion is about the last big call of the game, and the failure to officiate two basic parts of a throw in.

 

Edit: just watched it again and he should have been carded for lying on that side of the ruck




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  #2899810 11-Apr-2022 12:41
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Well, we will have to agree to disagree. Barrett is contesting for the ball and gets his hands on the ball for a bit too (other angles show it better). He doesn't take out Ardie except as it relates to challenging for the ball. Obviously that will be contended based on what colour shirt (or eye patch) you are wearing. He should have made an effort to clear the ruck, on that I'd agree, doubt that should have resulted in a card. I am not 100% on the rules in this particular situation, but if the ball is contested, is it not the same as a collapsed maul and the opposing team can make the ball unplayable? If that was his intention, and fits with the interpretation of the referee, then even less likely it would have been a card? Even if you are right (and plenty of people I've heard who had no horse in the race, disagree), then a penalty or even a card, wouldn't have guaranteed a win. 

 

Also, pretty much everyone I have heard talk about it, said they should have taken the 3 points.  There was a lot of 'conference' between coaches and players about that, so it wasn't as obvious and clear as you are making it out to be at least from their perspective. 

 

The breakdown is on youtube free to watch, I recommend watching it for that segment to their their interpretation. 

 

 

 

 


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  #2899814 11-Apr-2022 12:49
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Lets see what the referee panel comes out and says.  Its pretty clear from the other angles Ardie has possession and so he is tackled in the air.  You mentioned Goldie, but not Mils or JK.  Goldies 50% argument vs the other two 🤣.

 

Professional foul 5m from the line, yep that's card material.  The call was wrong period.




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  #2899820 11-Apr-2022 12:57
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I mention Goldie because he tends to be the more reasoned of the group, and seems better at the analysis. JK wouldn't be involved in Rugby analysis for my money (I think some of what he says is absolute nonsense). 

 

I guess we will see what the referee panel says...

 

 


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  #2900456 12-Apr-2022 16:00
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@itxtme have you seen a ruling? I am not sure where they publish those. I am genuinely interested to hear what they have to say. 

 

There has been a lot said about this on social media with some interesting arguments on both sides. 

 

At the end of the day it's sort of academic as the result isn't going to change, but if a mistake was made, it will be interesting to see how they referee it the next time like this comes up. 

 

 


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  #2900683 12-Apr-2022 22:04
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Nope crickets so far.  Agreed the result is the result.  But learnings are important, and I believe they need to own it when they get it wrong.


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  #2902786 15-Apr-2022 22:09
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Well the Blues made hard work of that, it should have been much more one sided.

Barrett outplayed Mounga in the last 70 minutes of that game. It's clear Mounga can't tackle and the plan is to hide him away from the defensive line as much as possible.

Two tries for the Crusaders in the second half should have been called back. Knock on by Reece where it clearly hit Ioane before Reece regathered, and then a knock on in goal called as a Crusaders scrum because it was carried back, which should have been a Blues scrum.

The calls went the Crusaders way again but this time it didn't cost the opposition the game. If it did it would have laid squarely at the Blues feet for almost choking when in such a dominant position.

My ABs back line on form at the moment would be Smith, Barrett, Barrett, Ioane, Reece, Clarke and Jordan.

I've never been a fan of Ioane at 13 until this year.

Havili, Bridge and Ennor have fallen well off the pace, and ALB is out with injury.

 
 
 

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  #2902893 16-Apr-2022 13:26
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Cracker game. Poetic justice seeing Barrett red carded after last weeks game ending professional foul 😅.  The blues guilty of kicking the ball away in the last 30 minutes, and it very nearly cost them the game.  Yet again the referee made an error and refused to use upstairs for the Crusaders final try.  From what I saw there were two potential issues with it, 1) Blues player held near the ruck despite not being part of it creating the overlap.  2) Potential knock on of the ball that they refused to check.  Fraser said "trust the process".....  I think people would if they used it.  Personally think it was a mistake to get rid of the captains challenge.


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  #2903014 16-Apr-2022 17:39
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itxtme:

 

Nope crickets so far.  Agreed the result is the result.  But learnings are important, and I believe they need to own it when they get it wrong.

 

 

Jason Holland said that they had conversations with the referee management where the decisions were explained and that they needed to move on (slightly paraphrasing). Seems like the explanation from the referee was good enough that there was no apology needed or issued. 

 

In the last few years, there has been a LOT of complaining here and online in general about how much TMO was interfering with the game, now people are upset because they aren't. Seems like you can't win. 

 

I guess if you are the 'aggrieved' party you want TMO, and everyone else just wants the referee to decide and move on. 

 

 

 

 


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  #2903016 16-Apr-2022 17:46
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As a Crusaders fan, I was pretty anxious all week, and the Blues winning didn't surprise me. 

 

I thought it was a great game, one of the best this season. Shame about Barrett's dumb behaviour causing a red. He will be getting a nice long break to consider his tackle technique and decision making. No issue with the red at all. 

 

I think the Crusaders showed great character to be even within a whisper of a win to be honest. If literally anyone but that replacement lock had been the one to get the ball, I think we would have won. 

 

I disagree that Mo'unga was outplayed for 70 minutes, not sure what game was being watched, but both 10's had some great plays, and periods of play.  There were some pretty great kicks by both 10's in general play. I saw Mo'unga miss one (admittedly pretty crucial) tackle. How many did any one else see? I certainly don't think he is a defensively poor 10. I'd be interested to see his stats. 

 

 


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  #2903368 18-Apr-2022 07:46
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networkn:

 

In the last few years, there has been a LOT of complaining here and online in general about how much TMO was interfering with the game, now people are upset because they aren't. Seems like you can't win. 

 

 

Seems like you can't lose if you're Canterbury. Both were incidents that clearly should have generated a referral. It's nothing short of insanity that they didn't. The fact that there were two at the death in Canterbury's favour should let you draw your own conclusions. If that sort of call had decided the game against Canterbury, like it did in previous weeks, we'd have seen grovelling apologies within hours of the game finishing. 

 

When it's in their favour it's crickets. 


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  #2903391 18-Apr-2022 09:19
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GV27:

 

networkn:

 

In the last few years, there has been a LOT of complaining here and online in general about how much TMO was interfering with the game, now people are upset because they aren't. Seems like you can't win. 

 

 

Seems like you can't lose if you're Canterbury. Both were incidents that clearly should have generated a referral. It's nothing short of insanity that they didn't. The fact that there were two at the death in Canterbury's favour should let you draw your own conclusions. If that sort of call had decided the game against Canterbury, like it did in previous weeks, we'd have seen grovelling apologies within hours of the game finishing. 

 

When it's in their favour it's crickets. 

 

 

Oh brother! Give it a rest, you are starting to sound unhinged.

 

 


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  #2903463 18-Apr-2022 11:53
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itxtme:

 

Nope crickets so far.  Agreed the result is the result.  But learnings are important, and I believe they need to own it when they get it wrong.

 

 

Given you felt the Hurricanes were robbed last week, do you feel the Highlanders were this week?


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  #2903576 18-Apr-2022 21:53
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networkn:

 

Given you felt the Hurricanes were robbed last week, do you feel the Highlanders were this week?

 

 

I am going to be honest, I do not have much interest in conversing with you if you are going to throw around comments about peoples state of mind because they disagree with you.

 

In regards to Hurricanes being robbed, I do not believe that was insinuated, they were certainly robbed of the opportunity, but that would not have definately lead to winning the game...

 

As far as the Highlanders last play went, I think it was 50/50.  The referee ruled prelimanry no try, and there was no clear evedience the try was grounded.  Now if he had called it prelimenery try again it would have been awareded as there was no clear evidence it had not been grounded.  The reality is the replays didnt show wether it was or was not, only a view of the top half of the ball.

 

The Hurricanes did there absolute best to lose that game, not taking advantage of the 20 minutes of 14 players.  Also kicking away the ball inside the Highlanders 22 on 4 occasions.  Canes are certainly missing a genuine number 10.


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  #2903599 19-Apr-2022 07:39
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networkn:

 

Oh brother! Give it a rest, you are starting to sound unhinged.

 

 

Come on dude, are you going to tell me there has been as much scrutiny of the howlers the Blues copped in the last 10 minutes of that game (no referrals for clearly questionable incidents) as the Canterbury decision in the Wellington game? I mean it simply is how it is in NZ rugby, there's not much point in blowing up about it to the point where you pop a gasket, but let's not stick our head in the sand either here.


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