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  #2935349 28-Jun-2022 14:05
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networkn:

 

One of the articles I read over the weekend, can't find it to post, was criticising the AB's from last year relying on the forwards too much, but I found that quite strange as the times we looked compelling were the times where we did periods of pick and go, and built fast recycled ball but kept the ball in tight. I felt we were going wide far too often and far too quickly. There was a period I think around the 60-minute mark against the French where I thought we were going to turn the result around, because we started going super direct and hard with our forwards and didn't just fling the ball to our wingers and hoped for a miracle. 

 

I'd really like to see Foster show he can identify, present and have the AB's execute a gameplan that exposes a teams weaknesses specifically, ala Scott Robertson against the Blues in the SR Final. I can't recall a more visceral demonstration of that in recent times. Obviously, it's not good enough to just have a plan, but you need the players to execute it, whilst putting the opposition under enough pressure they can't recover. 

 

 

 

 

Astonished that Foster was appointed in the first place - NZRU had a great opportunity to get rid of him after those two shockers against France & Ireland at the end of last year.

 

Our forwards need to take the ball up through a lot more phases, also get more numbers there to clean out really physically, so our backs can attack from good front foot ball... then it's on our 9 & 10 to make the right decisions, execute well, also have the ability to know during a match when to adjust their tactics when needed.




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  #2935356 28-Jun-2022 14:16
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Astonished that Foster was appointed in the first place - NZRU had a great opportunity to get rid of him after those two shockers against France & Ireland at the end of last year.

 

Our forwards need to take the ball up through a lot more phases, also get more numbers there to clean out really physically, so our backs can attack from good front foot ball... then it's on our 9 & 10 to make the right decisions, execute well, also have the ability to know during a match when to adjust their tactics when needed.

 

 

Are you really? We lost 1 more test match last year, than we have most other years. We beat Australia and Argentina by record amounts, held the bled and won the rugby champion including against the world champs. 

 

I agree we look better when our forwards do more work. I am not really sure how you think any other coach was going to be able to stop what happened at the end of last year? Once the whistle goes, the coach is out of the equation pretty much. The entire team looked totally shattered. I've never seen a more tired-looking AB's side. There was like 15 minutes in the whole French game where I felt our forwards were going forwards.

 

The Irish have their best chance to beat us at home this weekend I think, with many player disruptions. 


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  #2935374 28-Jun-2022 14:40
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artbloke:

 

Astonished that Foster was appointed in the first place - NZRU had a great opportunity to get rid of him after those two shockers against France & Ireland at the end of last year.

 

Our forwards need to take the ball up through a lot more phases, also get more numbers there to clean out really physically, so our backs can attack from good front foot ball... then it's on our 9 & 10 to make the right decisions, execute well, also have the ability to know during a match when to adjust their tactics when needed.

 

 

Are you really? We lost 1 more test match last year, than we have most other years. We beat Australia and Argentina by record amounts, held the bled and won the rugby champion including against the world champs. 

 

I agree we look better when our forwards do more work. I am not really sure how you think any other coach was going to be able to stop what happened at the end of last year? Once the whistle goes, the coach is out of the equation pretty much. The entire team looked totally shattered. I've never seen a more tired-looking AB's side. There was like 15 minutes in the whole French game where I felt our forwards were going forwards.

 

The Irish have their best chance to beat us at home this weekend I think, with many player disruptions. 

 

 

We usually beat Aussie & Argentina anyway & we've held the Bled Cup for ages... we lost poorly against the Boks in our 2nd match in that Rugby Championship.

 

Yeah, it's definitely about the players having to do the job on the field - but with us having an incompetent coach doesn't help... the obvious bloke that should've got head coach role was Scott Robertson.




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  #2935378 28-Jun-2022 14:50
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Agree on Foster - I don't know why he got the job.

 

He did less than nothing with the Chiefs the whole time he was in charge.

 

I'm not usually one to bag the coaches - for sure they all know a lot more than me about coaching and rugby, but my opinion has always been that Foster was not the right man for the job.

 

Robertson seems a much better fit for the style of Rugby I like to watch. Even Robbie Deans would have been better IMO than Foster.

 

 

 

Losing at Eden Park for the first time in 28 years (and I was there the last time they lost) would not be good. The Irish must be feeling pretty bullish about it too.


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  #2935382 28-Jun-2022 14:54
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Losing at Eden Park for the first time in 28 years (and I was there the last time they lost) would not be good. The Irish must be feeling pretty bullish about it too.

 

 

So if we lose on Saturday, it's all Fosters fault?

 

 


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  #2935383 28-Jun-2022 14:56
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We usually beat Aussie & Argentina anyway & we've held the Bled Cup for ages... we lost poorly against the Boks in our 2nd match in that Rugby Championship.

 

Yeah, it's definitely about the players having to do the job on the field - but with us having an incompetent coach doesn't help... the obvious bloke that should've got head coach role was Scott Robertson.

 

 

Incompetent? Really?! The guy has been assistant coach to Steve Hansen, one of the most successful coaches in history who Steve on multiple occasions has spoken highly of. Foster clearly has the support of the locker room. 

 

He doesn't appear innovative, which may prove to be an issue, but he seems willing to take feedback and introduce some new people to help him, which is a positive in my view (many coaches are way to proud)  but incompetent seems well beyond reasonable. 

 

 


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  #2935707 29-Jun-2022 00:20
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artbloke:

 

We usually beat Aussie & Argentina anyway & we've held the Bled Cup for ages... we lost poorly against the Boks in our 2nd match in that Rugby Championship.

 

Yeah, it's definitely about the players having to do the job on the field - but with us having an incompetent coach doesn't help... the obvious bloke that should've got head coach role was Scott Robertson.

 

 

Incompetent? Really?! The guy has been assistant coach to Steve Hansen, one of the most successful coaches in history who Steve on multiple occasions has spoken highly of. Foster clearly has the support of the locker room. 

 

He doesn't appear innovative, which may prove to be an issue, but he seems willing to take feedback and introduce some new people to help him, which is a positive in my view (many coaches are way to proud)  but incompetent seems well beyond reasonable. 

 

 

 

 

Just because Foster was assistant to Hansen doesn't automatically make Foster a good AB head coach... Hansen was the one that run the team, so he had the final say.

 

Foster definitely isn't innovative at all - he use to play 1st-five, can you think of any tactical smarts he added to the AB backline when he was assistant to Hansen ? ...also a coach has to be able to read the game well from the stands, knowing when to sub a player if they're not playing well or when to inject 2 or 3 forwards etc into the game to add more energy to the team, just another area of the game he hasn't got a clue about. 

 

 


 
 
 

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  #2935755 29-Jun-2022 09:07
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networkn:

 

artbloke:

 

Astonished that Foster was appointed in the first place - NZRU had a great opportunity to get rid of him after those two shockers against France & Ireland at the end of last year.

 

...

 

 

Are you really? We lost 1 more test match last year, than we have most other years. We beat Australia and Argentina by record amounts, held the bled and won the rugby champion including against the world champs. 

 

 

Exactly.  I still don't understand people smashing the panic button after 3 losses in a weird COVID disrupted year.  Can anyone remember 2009?  We lost 4 or 5 games and everyone said Henry was a useless coach, should never have been reappointed after 2007, and Deans should have got the job.  Sound familiar?  Then we all know what happened 2 years later in 2011...

 

Losing mid world cup cycle is actually a really good thing.  It forces a rethink, allows tough selection calls to made, etc.  We had huge wins mid cycle before the 2003 and 2007 world cups and again we all know happened then.  Now this year is when things get more relevant.  We've got a a whole run of tough tests 3 x Ireland + 2 x SA away to really see where we're at.

 

I'm not a huge Foster fan, but he is the coach, so let's suck it up and get on with it.  It seems like every time an All Black as much as spills their coffee, people start ranting about Foster and the end of the world.  

 

 


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  #2935759 29-Jun-2022 09:14
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Exactly.  I still don't understand people smashing the panic button after 3 losses in a weird COVID disrupted year.  Can anyone remember 2009?  We lost 4 or 5 games and everyone said Henry was a useless coach, should never have been reappointed after 2007, and Deans should have got the job.  Sound familiar?  Then we all know what happened 2 years later in 2011...

 

Losing mid world cup cycle is actually a really good thing.  It forces a rethink, allows tough selection calls to made, etc.  We had huge wins mid cycle before the 2003 and 2007 world cups and again we all know happened then.  Now this year is when things get more relevant.  We've got a a whole run of tough tests 3 x Ireland + 2 x SA away to really see where we're at.

 

I'm not a huge Foster fan, but he is the coach, so let's suck it up and get on with it.  It seems like every time an All Black as much as spills their coffee, people start ranting about Foster and the end of the world.  

 

 

I absolutely agree. Despite defending him a lot, I don't *really* have a horse in this race. Personally, I like winning RWC's but I'd rather be #1 in the world for 90% of the time and exit at Semis or get second, than win nothing and win the RWC. 

 

I am also realistic, that during our dominance in Rugby for the last 15+ years, we have had a unicorn team where almost every player in the team was the best or top 2-3 in their positions in the world. That isn't the case right now. 

 

The hate toward Foster is unhinged in my opinion. It's absolutely nuts. I think he has a 80% win rate, a win rate most international coaches would sell their grandmothers for.  Look at where SA was at this period last RWC cycle. 

 

I believe had we of won against England in the RWC, we would have beaten SA in the final, comfortably. 

 

It doesn't really feel like we have really matured as fans and can't tolerate losing and understanding why. It's disappointing. 

 

We may not win the RWC, but Foster would be only 1 of many factors that affect that.


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  #2935775 29-Jun-2022 09:33
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networkn:

 

trig42:

 

Losing at Eden Park for the first time in 28 years (and I was there the last time they lost) would not be good. The Irish must be feeling pretty bullish about it too.

 

 

So if we lose on Saturday, it's all Fosters fault?

 

 

 

 

Not necessarily, but that's how the majority of the fans will see it. It'd be three straight losses, which hasn't happened since 1998 (and to follow on from your 2009 argument, we all know what happened in 1999).

 

I agree that the ABs losing 'mid-cycle' isn't a bad thing, I just don't see Foster's solutions coming through - I don't see them building anything.

 

I'm not sure they are going to lose this weekend, they have the players and the skills to win it. This is, however, one of the best chances a team has had for some time of knocking off the Eden Park 'hoodoo'.


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  #2935779 29-Jun-2022 09:42
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Not necessarily, but that's how the majority of the fans will see it. It'd be three straight losses, which hasn't happened since 1998 (and to follow on from your 2009 argument, we all know what happened in 1999).

 

I agree that the ABs losing 'mid-cycle' isn't a bad thing, I just don't see Foster's solutions coming through - I don't see them building anything.

 

I'm not sure they are going to lose this weekend, they have the players and the skills to win it. This is, however, one of the best chances a team has had for some time of knocking off the Eden Park 'hoodoo'.

 

 

I agree this is one of the best chances to win. I think despite what some might claim, losing two coaches and 4 players will have an impact. Add to this it's our first game of the year with no warm-ups, and that most teams play pretty badly for 2 tests before they get into a pattern... 

 

I find it interesting that fans want 'innovation' from Foster but can't tolerate a loss or three. Innovation and trying new things is risky. SA at this part of the RWC cycle got smashed 60-0 by us 'trying new things'. 

 

I don't think any coaches could have innovated in what was a massively disruptive year for players, coaches and the AB's team in general (and in fact we did see different patterns of play it just didn't gel well I think). People seem to think that highly paid athletes are robots. They aren't.  Last year should be considered a write-off and non-indicative of where the AB's actually are.

 

Having said that, if we don't start to see things coming together in the next 6 tests, it's going to be genuinely concerning. 

 

 


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  #2935780 29-Jun-2022 09:43
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Is anyone else excited about tonights match? I think Ireland will thump the MAB, which won't do much to settle peoples nerves, but I'd like to be reasonably close. 

 

 


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  #2935811 29-Jun-2022 10:25
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For all the hype around Robertson, and as big of a fan of him as I am he isn't without his faults/weaknesses. 

 

Under his tenure, the Crusaders have been the least disciplined they have been in a long long time, maybe ever. It's been better this year, but still pretty average. It's something that he hasn't managed to control despite it being talked about post-match most weeks. He has no international coaching experience, which many believe to be a key component in filling out a coaching resumé.  

 

It was a the same with Hansen and the AB's for the last few years. The number of penalties per game were horrific, I guess when you play at the edge that's the risk you take. 


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networkn:

 

Is anyone else excited about tonights match? I think Ireland will thump the MAB, which won't do much to settle peoples nerves, but I'd like to be reasonably close. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Brave call IMO, I think it will be closer than a lot expect. TAB has the line at 0.5 points. MAB = $2.00 Ireland = $1.80

 

Maori all blacks have played two tests against Ireland and won both. Wouldn't be surprised to see them win tonight





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  #2935814 29-Jun-2022 10:38
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Brave call IMO, I think it will be closer than a lot expect. TAB has the line at 0.5 points. MAB = $2.00 Ireland = $1.80

 

Maori all blacks have played two tests against Ireland and won both. Wouldn't be surprised to see them win tonight

 

 

This is a different Irish side, one who has beaten the AB's twice in recent history, who have an excellent defensive record recently, and are pretty well oiled. Compartively this is the first MAB game of the season with a number of debutants. Lots of new combinations.

 

Happy to be wrong, and I certainly won't be rooting for the Irish, but I think the MAB will face a stern challenge tonight. 

 

 


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