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#2940217 9-Jul-2022 22:29

So the England v Aussie game, intentional forearm across the head and face to a prone player on the ground. Penalty no card. Accidental head clash? Red card and game ruined. This sport is like America; beyond help and laughable

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#2940270 10-Jul-2022 00:09

Kopkiwi: So the England v Aussie game, intentional forearm across the head and face to a prone player on the ground. Penalty no card. Accidental head clash? Red card and game ruined. This sport is like America; beyond help and laughable

Yeah, common sense doesn't come in to it when it comes to refs in rugby, it's a farce.

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#2940271 10-Jul-2022 00:22

Under this bloody useless coaching staff we keep on making the same basic mistakes... real lack of mongrel in the forwards, not taking the ball through enough phases, very poor cleaning on our own ball, senseless general kicking by 9 & 10, so we ended up under a lot of pressure for long periods of time in the match.

Really pedantic refereeing favoured Ireland... thought it was totally ridiculous that Savea our best loosie wasn't allowed to return ???

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#2940272 10-Jul-2022 00:33

We play badly, Ireland didn't, they won, end of story.

The takling of the player without the ball should have been a penalty try. Even the rediculous one eye nz commentators thought so.

They played better than we did, they deserved to win and did so. It's only a game. Let's be adult. Congrats Ireland.

Looking forward to next game.

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#2940346 10-Jul-2022 12:40

Disappointing to see our results slip to 4th place in the world rankings. I don't really see us as the 4th best team in the world. We aren't the best team in the world right now (though this week we might be). I think 2nd or third is fair.

I get the feeling that some fans in NZ would be happier losing if we had different coaching staff leading it.

Last night was really unfortunate, and I agree on attack, most of the times we didn't look that good, though I disagree it was all bad. We blew a few chances off good work on the lead up. If some of those had gone to hand, the score line would have looked different. I believe 15 on 15 for the whole match we would have won, perhaps by less margin than the prior week.

I am not sure what team in the world could have won against Ireland last night with the card situation. Our defense was absolutely outstanding, but it left much less in the tank for offense.

The red card was really unfortunate. I understand it's red and I mostly agree, but I am really not sure what he could have done differently in the split second he had to adjust.

People underestimate the effort it takes to play 13/14 on 15, especially for that length of time.

I see the lack of quality cleanout, the aimless kicking, the handling errors as the players fault. Not a chance the coaches are saying those things are acceptable. Perhaps not enough focus is being put on a territory game kicking-wise. Hard to know. What concerns me was that there wasn't a plan B for when what we were doing wasn't working. Neither 10 took control of the game, though it's hard to know if that was because they were under so much pressure, tiredness, lack of tactical nous, or poor coaching.

I understand that on the whole, cards are the fault of the player who gets them, they are having a huge impact on the results of matches, and I am not a fan of that.

I don't really see last night as a typical game of rugby, and I am unsure what you can take from it.

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#2940347 10-Jul-2022 12:42

England v Australia was a pretty decent match.

Someone commented online, that it really feels like Eddie has told his players to be mongrels and try their hardest to get under players' skins. So many off-the-ball incidents last night, and I thought Australia showed great composure to resist retaliating.

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#2940365 10-Jul-2022 15:28

afe66: We play badly, Ireland didn't, they won, end of story.

The takling of the player without the ball should have been a penalty try. Even the rediculous one eye nz commentators thought so.

They played better than we did, they deserved to win and did so. It's only a game. Let's be adult. Congrats Ireland.

Looking forward to next game.

Generally I find NZ commentary far easier to deal with than the frankly boring and paternalistic NH commentary when it comes to rugby. They're not very subtle in their disdain for the Southern style of play.

But yes, that was a clear and obvious penalty try. As far as the red card that was issued, that was hands down the stupidest application of a rule that required 'foul play' - which for my mind, a simple collision can't be considered foul play if there's no intent or negligence. Player just got stood up by the player who was stepping around him but they both occupied the same space at the same time. With their faces.

There were numerous off the ball incidents from the Irish not even reviewed (at one point James Lowe clotheslined one of our players) and it wasn't even checked. So if we're going to be senselessly pedantic about the rules, then I'd like to see them at least applied easily to both teams. The Saveaa sideline stuff was just absolute hot garbage and does make you wonder about a couple of things, combined with the one-sidedness of some of the rulings.

But short story long, the All Blacks didn't get their hands on the ball, as per Chicago, and couldn't do anything as a result, as per Chicago. We were shredded by the same game-plan all over again.

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#2940444 10-Jul-2022 17:01

Another year just like the other years. Theres no real surprises.

The refereeing was incredibly poor. Apart from the penalty try the All Blacks should have been playing with 12 at the first uncontested scrum. It’s ridiculous this wasn’t enforced, it’s not even the first time it’s happened this year in a Tier 1 test. It was correctly enforced in the Italy - Ireland game earlier this year.

https://www.world.rugby/the-game/laws/guidelines/16

The cards were all entirely correct.

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#2940456 10-Jul-2022 17:24

Handle9:

The cards were all entirely correct.

The card may have been correct but the law and application thereof is an ass.

Players sent off for bracing for a collision in the air, players sent off for not bracing for a collision at all - total lack of coherency under the supposed guise of safety.

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#2940460 10-Jul-2022 17:29

If you think the cards against the All Blacks were bad have a look at the one Alun Wyn Jones got. Farcical.

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#2940468 10-Jul-2022 17:57

GV27:

There were numerous off the ball incidents from the Irish not even reviewed (at one point James Lowe clotheslined one of our players) and it wasn't even checked. So if we're going to be senselessly pedantic about the rules, then I'd like to see them at least applied easily to both teams.

The player that got clotheslined was Jordie Barrett and his mistake was getting up straight away rather than milking it. But he’s just too good a sport I guess. I believe the yellow (not penalty try) was a case in point. Tuungafasi was pulling out of the tackle since the player had not received the ball and he brushed down the back of his legs. The Irish player went down anyway. I’ve watched it multiple times and believe it was barely a penalty. The number of times Cane and Retallick were taken out off the ball was astounding, and unpunished. I guess it’s the luxury of being to watch bits over and over that the officials don’t have. It’s a shame they don’t have a large video device to review things.

Can’t really blame the officials though. They are applying the rules and guidelines as dictated by the IRB. But accidental contact is not “Foul Play”. Careless maybe, but not foul.

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#2940470 10-Jul-2022 18:00

Go and read Law 9. Obstruction is foul play.

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#2940473 10-Jul-2022 18:13

Handle9:

Go and read Law 9. Obstruction is foul play.

I was talking about the head clash / red card, if that wasn’t clear. And you go and reread my post. I said the officials can only work with the rules and guidelines they are given.

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#2940559 10-Jul-2022 21:11

Does anyone think that 15 against 15 Ireland wpuld have won last night? The result is the result, but some perspective on the issues faced last night are needed I think.

I think the AB's can beat any team in the world right now, just not consistently. The gap has closed, no question

I hope next week, we can see both teams keep 15 players for the match and see what the result is.

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#2940566 10-Jul-2022 21:51

networkn:
Does anyone think that 15 against 15 Ireland wpuld have won last night? The result is the result, but some perspective on the issues faced last night are needed I think.

I think the AB's can beat any team in the world right now, just not consistently. The gap has closed, no question

I hope next week, we can see both teams keep 15 players for the match and see what the result is.

Ireland scored both Porter tries against equal numbers.

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