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#2942082 15-Jul-2022 09:48

If we smash them in the forwards from the start {needs to be controlled aggression though} & get on top in the forward battle we'd beat them very comfortably with the deadly backs we have.

It's certainly a better 15 for us with Whitelock, Laulala, Havili & Jodan starting in the 15, our bench is much stronger as well... reckon we have two very good options at 6 with S.Barrett and K.Ioane.

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#2942089 15-Jul-2022 10:03

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Havilli needs to show that either he can handle the physicality or do some magic. Not every 12 needs to be a wrecking ball, so depending on the game plan he could be used for making the Irish question what he will do next.

Like Havili in the midfield, he gives us some variation there with his kicking game, even though the bloke isn't that big for a midfielder his defence is good.

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#2942240 15-Jul-2022 15:18

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That's LITERALLY what happened, Ringrose is the one that changed direction and initiated the contact.

Nope. Go and watch the replay and listen to the decision making process. Ta'avao changed direction when he saw Ringrose. Peyper initially was going to call play on until Ta'avao changed direction.

Ta’avao submitted to the judiciary that he was trying to tackle Ringrose.

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#2942242 15-Jul-2022 15:19

Grant Fox has officially finished selecting his last team for the All Blacks, and will finish up with them after tomorrow nights decider match in Wellington.

What a fantastic servant of NZ Rugby he has been. He really deserves all the plaudits he will have heaped upon him. I hope he enjoys a long and peaceful retirement.

I think they made a good choice in asking Joe Schmidt to replace him, I think he's astute and sharp, and quite analytical.

It will be interesting to see if that results in much of a difference in selections moving forward? I am not sure actually, how much say the independent selector has in the final team make-up each week.

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#2942246 15-Jul-2022 15:27

I am really not sure what the right answer here is.

I am all for trying any reasonable step to reduce player head/neck injuries. Having said that, Ta'avaos red card won't do anything to prevent injuries. Even in Leicester's situation, if he had actually touched the ball, then the decision likely would have been reversed.

I'd be in favour of Red cards going back to 20 minutes. Intentional foul play (Head Butts, Biting, stamping, that sort of thing) and the player should be removed for the rest of the game (black card?), though I understand that makes the whole process subjective, and it complicates things. The black card removes any leniency from punishment.

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#2942252 15-Jul-2022 15:34

Fainga'anukus was totally reckless. You can't just launch yourself out of control and hope you don't hit someone. He was very lucky not to be red carded as Clarke was earlier in the year.

You can't eliminate head contact but NZ doesn't really seem to be trying. This will continue to happen, especially as NZ referees look for reasons not to give cards instead of officiating the law the way it is written. When it gets to international level the referees officiate the law correctly and there's outrage from New Zealand supporters.

You can't card your way into making the sport safe. It won't happen.

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#2942257 15-Jul-2022 15:40

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I'd be in favour of Red cards going back to 20 minutes. Intentional foul play (Head Butts, Biting, stamping, that sort of thing) and the player should be removed for the rest of the game (black card?), though I understand that makes the whole process subjective, and it complicates things. The black card removes any leniency from punishment.

World rugby has already said NO to the 20 min red card. I don't think it will come up again Internationally for at least the next 5-6 years

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#2942259 15-Jul-2022 15:43

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World rugby has already said NO to the 20 min red card. I don't think it will come up again Internationally for at least the next 5-6 years

They look at the rules twice a year I think.

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#2942266 15-Jul-2022 15:46

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Fainga'anukus was totally reckless. You can't just launch yourself out of control and hope you don't hit someone. He was very lucky not to be red carded as Clarke was earlier in the year.

You can say he jumped into the contact zone but if that's off limits, kills any ability to charge down a kick, other than running head first into a player as they kick the ball. How is that safer for anyone? Or do kickers now bear the risk of trying to clear a kick if they accidentally boot someone because we said you can't charge down the ball if you leave your feet?

Where does this end?

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#2942267 15-Jul-2022 15:52

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Fainga'anukus was totally reckless. You can't just launch yourself out of control and hope you don't hit someone. He was very lucky not to be red carded as Clarke was earlier in the year.

You can't eliminate head contact but NZ doesn't really seem to be trying. This will continue to happen, especially as NZ referees look for reasons not to give cards instead of officiating the law the way it is written. When it gets to international level the referees officiate the law correctly and there's outrage from New Zealand supporters.

You can't card your way into making the sport safe. It won't happen.

Do you really think that players in NZ are playing with a 'I'll tackle badly and hope for leniency' attitude?

I'd be kind of interested to know SH vs NH cards vs games played or minutes played total to get an idea but the competitions are a bit different so I guess it's hard to tell.

I don't think there is outrage over the fact it was officiated, rather that the law isn't currently configured in a way to take into account situations like his where neither player could have done much to avoid the situation. There is nowhere for common sense to factor in.

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#2942268 15-Jul-2022 15:57

Laulala's tackling really worries me.

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#2942270 15-Jul-2022 16:00

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Fainga'anukus was totally reckless. You can't just launch yourself out of control and hope you don't hit someone. He was very lucky not to be red carded as Clarke was earlier in the year.

You can't eliminate head contact but NZ doesn't really seem to be trying. This will continue to happen, especially as NZ referees look for reasons not to give cards instead of officiating the law the way it is written. When it gets to international level the referees officiate the law correctly and there's outrage from New Zealand supporters.

You can't card your way into making the sport safe. It won't happen.

Do you really think that players in NZ are playing with a 'I'll tackle badly and hope for leniency' attitude?

I'd be kind of interested to know SH vs NH cards vs games played or minutes played total to get an idea but the competitions are a bit different so I guess it's hard to tell.

I don't think there is outrage over the fact it was officiated, rather that the law isn't currently configured in a way to take into account situations like his where neither player could have done much to avoid the situation. There is nowhere for common sense to factor in.

NZ teams are far more willing to push the boundaries than other teams. The All Blacks get 50% more yellow cards than their opposition.

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#2942274 15-Jul-2022 16:02

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NZ teams are far more willing to push the boundaries than other teams. The All Blacks get 50% more yellow cards than their opposition.

Where did you get that stat from?

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#2942278 15-Jul-2022 16:07

GV27:

Handle9:

Fainga'anukus was totally reckless. You can't just launch yourself out of control and hope you don't hit someone. He was very lucky not to be red carded as Clarke was earlier in the year.

You can say he jumped into the contact zone but if that's off limits, kills any ability to charge down a kick, other than running head first into a player as they kick the ball. How is that safer for anyone? Or do kickers now bear the risk of trying to clear a kick if they accidentally boot someone because we said you can't charge down the ball if you leave your feet?

Where does this end?

There are plenty of charge downs that occur without players hitting each other in the head. If you leave your feet like Clarke and Fainga'anuku did you need to be in control. If you don't know you can land safely you can't throw yourself in the air. I've got far more sympathy for the way that is ruled than I do for the tackle rules.

There's an ELV at the moment in schools rugby outlawing jumping for high balls because of the number of injuries from high balls.

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#2942279 15-Jul-2022 16:07

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Handle9:

NZ teams are far more willing to push the boundaries than other teams. The All Blacks get 50% more yellow cards than their opposition.

Where did you get that stat from?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/all-blacks-v-ireland-study-reveals-all-blacks-card-stats-and-how-they-compare-to-opponents/WLVY3CSMOAE2J52U4ZT3YIVXTA/

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