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#2943041 17-Jul-2022 08:16

Handle9:

The reasoning for both cards is pretty easy to understand.

No, it isn't. They're two extremely similar incidents, yet supposedly one small mitigating factor makes the difference between a red + 3 weeks and a ten minute yellow, and puts them on either side of an intentional headbutt in terms of sanction.

It's absurd.

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#2943057 17-Jul-2022 09:38

Clearly Ireland deserved to win, they played the much smarter rugby... ABs were rubbish in the forwards yet again, we're making the same silly mistakes, really poor in the breakdown, that area is really crucial as it's the most contested area of the game, also aimless kicking from our 9 & 10.

Under Foster & Plumtree the team look confused & disorganized... we really need to get rid of them now & bring in someone like Robertson who actually has a good rugby brain, even though it's not that far away from the RWC we have nothing to lose by replacing this current coaching staff.

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#2943060 17-Jul-2022 09:44

Unbelievable that throughout this series Ireland were allowed to consistently slow our ball down by rolling out the side & back of our rucks.

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#2943061 17-Jul-2022 09:57

tukapa1: I still believe our backs are superior. Our forwards, however, were beaten up again, quite badly

Need to fit Jordie in somewhere for his long range kicking, but probably too late to start a midfield experiment for him now.

Yeah, our backs are much better than theirs, but because we're getting a bloody poor platform in the forwards they can't operate properly.

Jordie played very well for the Canes in midfield, so wouldn't be an experiment, not that impressed with the midfield players they selected in the squad, reckon Jordie would do a top job for us there.

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#2943063 17-Jul-2022 10:11

We should've had Aussie or Argie refs refereeing in our own country in this test series... we always tend to have UK refs officiating in NZ & the UK, they have a different interpretation of the laws, so you just know they're going to ping us more.

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#2943064 17-Jul-2022 10:14

artbloke:
Unbelievable that throughout this series Ireland were allowed to consistently slow our ball down by rolling out the side & back of our rucks.

The injury breaks were a joke, often play stopped when the Irish were injured not when Broadie was on the ground or other ABs. The penalty for the head high on Savea should of been at least a yellow for around the neck. Ireland were better 15 on 15 but inconsistent Refering has impacted the series.

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#2943069 17-Jul-2022 10:54

Stu1:
artbloke:

Unbelievable that throughout this series Ireland were allowed to consistently slow our ball down by rolling out the side & back of our rucks.

The injury breaks were a joke, often play stopped when the Irish were injured not when Broadie was on the ground or other ABs. The penalty for the head high on Savea should of been at least a yellow for around the neck. Ireland were better 15 on 15 but inconsistent Refering has impacted the series.

Yeah, all you want is for the ref to be fair to both sides... can remember the Irish going high 3 or 4 times on our players & nothing was done about it.

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#2943078 17-Jul-2022 11:20

tukapa1:
artbloke:

If we get a good win tonight it won't have much to do with our head & assistant coaches... much more to do with our players knowing it's going to be vital they show a lot more urgency/focus & execute their roles far better.

So I guess the first half was the coaches fault and the second half comeback was down to the players?

Ardie and Jordan about the only players who stood up tonight.

Taylor was abysmal (again), the rest of the forwards went missing, the rest of the backs tried but laboured.

Lets be honest, in general our head & assistant coach are not great - they don't select the right players in some positions, for example the midfield is a shambles... we don't have a decent game plan or tactics in place, and from what I can see their man management skills are not much chop, the players looked disorganized out on the field, players have to enjoy what they're doing to perform well, that isn't happening either.

Yeah, Ardie & Jordan had top games.

Really concerned about how consistently poor we're at the breakdown.

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#2943132 17-Jul-2022 12:03

artbloke:

Really concerned about how consistently poor we're at the breakdown.

A few years ago teams started experimenting with only committing two or three players to a clearout and then quick ball solving the problem of the halfback being exposed.

But that doesn't work when the ruck slows down or the forwards blow past the ruck itself. I swear a bunch of our turnovers were given away because we had two players in a ruck when we needed four, and it's not like having the extra runners got us many metres either. Almost all of our line breaks came from the midfield, not around the fringe.

We gave away a lot of ball for what should have obviously been very little reward, and was never going to be. Much the same as the high, short box kick. You get the ball back maybe two times out of ten, but the eight other times you've just given it to the other team and they're only ten metres back from where they were on defense. So... maybe not do that?

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#2943174 17-Jul-2022 15:05

Handle9:
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tukapa1:

I commented on this at the time. Pretty clear to me but not a great deal of replays. Dunno what the tv team were doing not replaying that several times on the big screen at the game.

Same here. It really felt like there had been a really different message sent to the refs this week.

It was pretty similar to the one from Scott Barrett, which was not penalised, in the first test.

So glad to see that others spotted this too. There has been nothing in the media about it...anywhere!

If there was any consistency to the ref decisions then Aki would have been red-carded for direct contact to the head with his shoulder (hard enough to take Ofa T out of the game!) and the prop would have been red-carded for the 'tackle' on Brodie. This would have had the Irish down to 13 for most of the second half.

I actually prefer Barnes' decision on the head clash to Peyper's but... if they are going to be consistent then it should have been the same punishment from one week to the next.

Also not sure how none of the officials thought to ask how Ofa got hit hard enough to require an HIA and didn't bother to check the footage??

Frustrating but doesn't take away from the fact that the Irish were better for more of the time across the series and deserved to win regardless. Scott and Angus might be looking at the footage and wondering what they did that was different however!

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#2943193 17-Jul-2022 16:33

artbloke:
We should've had Aussie or Argie refs refereeing in our own country in this test series... we always tend to have UK refs officiating in NZ & the UK, they have a different interpretation of the laws, so you just know they're going to ping us more.

Barnes is the best referee in the world and it’s not really close. He penalised Ireland more than the All Blacks yesterday.

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#2943194 17-Jul-2022 16:38

There’s trouble for Foster. The All Blacks have canceled the press conference today and Foster doesn’t know why. Robinson has publicly stated that the Ireland result is unacceptable.

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#2943280 18-Jul-2022 08:23

Soo..... looking forward in 3 weeks we have two games back to back in South Africa. South Africa have an equally good scrum and lineout as Ireland and home advantage. Brodie is out (possibly long term) and big changes need to be made in the forwards.

I can't see the AB's record improving much in the near future

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#2943283 18-Jul-2022 08:36

I can see SA smashing us to pieces.

We were not physical/strong enough for Ireland in the forwards. We had no idea of how to get through their impressive defence. We kept up with the box kick to nowhere.

Out thought, out passioned, out played.

I'd love to see SA v Ireland actually - they'd be a couple of well matched teams.

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#2943296 18-Jul-2022 09:00

GV27:

Handle9:

The reasoning for both cards is pretty easy to understand.

No, it isn't. They're two extremely similar incidents, yet supposedly one small mitigating factor makes the difference between a red + 3 weeks and a ten minute yellow, and puts them on either side of an intentional headbutt in terms of sanction.

It's absurd.

You're bang on, anyone that thinks there is clear justification between those two incidents that warranted completely different sanctions, probably should give up watching the sport because their is deep in the sand.

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