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  #2943923 19-Jul-2022 19:30
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networkn:

 

I didn't get that from what they said. I thought it was a well considered argument that resisted the knee jerk reaction that most NZ fans seem to be having right now. 

 

I think they were pretty clear that if Foster looks in the mirror and is honest and believes he can't do the job, he should step aside, otherwise, he needs to honestly assess his team and assistants and perhaps make changes there. Does that not seem a reasonable approach?

 

I think some of the skills execution issues should pretty much resolve themselves and if we cut down our errors by 50% at least and improved our kicking, we would have been more competitive. 

 

Whether or not that is enough, is probably fairly debatable, but it hardly seems worth implementing a game plan when you can't get the basics like breakdown accuracy, set piece and basic skills execution right. 

 

 

Totally disagree it's a knee jerk reaction.

 

It's not like it's his first rodeo. I thought he'd been given a lot of slack based on his performances against tier 1 nations prior to the Ireland series.

 

He's been part of the All Blacks inner circle for 10 years. 10 years. 3-4 of those as the current AB coach.

 

How someone can take a team of world class players and turn them into the rabble that made up the numbers in the first half of the 3rd test boggles the mind. It's got to be one of the worst first half AB performances in history. In the 2nd half, thankfully, a few players decided on taking matters into their own hands - but the damage had already been done.

 

I think we actually deteriorated as the series progressed.

 

If McOnie's recent comments hold any truth, then that goes someway to explaining why we're playing like headless chickens.


 
 
 

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  #2943925 19-Jul-2022 19:31
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artbloke:

 

Handle9 - it's clearly a combo of technique & having 3 or 4 to clean on your own ball... no good us having a couple to clean if they have 3 or 4 there, they're just going to blow us off the ball.

 

 

Where are the opposition getting a turnover from having 3-4 players there? Turnovers are coming from 1-2 players arriving at the breakdown before the cleaners.

 

No one will commit 3-4 players to a defensive ruck in 2022 unless it's a counter ruck opportunity. It kills your defence to have 4 guys caught in a ruck, there will be big holes elsewhere.

 

 

Not really talking about those situations where a player gets really isolated & an opposition player wins the turnover - or if a ruck is basically stationary on the deck, you clearly don't want to commit anymore players to it.

 

My point is really about taking the ball through a heap of phases & clean well aggressively - the highlight by far for me was at the start of the 2nd half in the Irish test where we took the ball through 20 odd phases in a row, forcing them to tackle a lot, so eventually they were going to tire, the gaps opened up & we scored a good try, unfortunately after that we fell away.


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  #2944024 19-Jul-2022 22:28
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zaptor:

 

How someone can take a team of world class players and turn them into the rabble that made up the numbers in the first half of the 3rd test boggles the mind. It's got to be one of the worst first half AB performances in history. In the 2nd half, thankfully, a few players decided on taking matters into their own hands - but the damage had already been done.

 

 

Heh, another person who wants to blame the Coach for the bad and not for the good. 

 

 




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  #2944029 19-Jul-2022 23:23
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There are rumours on social media about changes in assistant coaches being announced tomorrow.

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  #2944030 19-Jul-2022 23:26
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networkn:

 

Heh, another person who wants to blame the Coach for the bad and not for the good. 

 

 

Oh, happy to give him credit when there's an outcome deserving of it.

 

Unfortunately, his record is somewhat ordinary - 54% against tier 1 nations.

 

It was actually less than 50% before the Irish series.

 

 

 

Blame the players if you want. But, I'm fairly sure that's basically the best we've got. Can't say the same for the coach though...


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  #2944031 19-Jul-2022 23:29
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Handle9: There are rumours on social media about changes in assistant coaches being announced tomorrow.


The end of year review found the assistant coaches were performing pretty poorly, so that seems consistent at least.



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  #2944038 19-Jul-2022 23:54
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Handle9: There are rumours on social media about changes in assistant coaches being announced tomorrow.


The end of year review found the assistant coaches were performing pretty poorly, so that seems consistent at least.


The review of the review took the learnings from the work ons into the review. They got excited and worked on the learnings to review the work ons.

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  #2944047 20-Jul-2022 01:38
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networkn:

Andrew Porter cited for his tackle on Brodie Rettalick. 


Rettalick is out for 8 weeks, I am expecting Porter to get 4+ weeks. 


He was clearly rising in the half second before impact. Barnes and the TMO got this horribly wrong. Aki almost certainly should have been yellow at least as well. Scott Barrett got away with one earlier in the series, so I guess there is some justice there. 


If that card had been given on field, and the boys had executed their skills, it's not hard to see how the result may have been different. (though only winning because of having a player advantage feels a little hollow).


 


 



No suspension, yellow card only.

"Having considered all the evidence, the independent committee applied World Rugby's Head Contact Process and agreed with the match officials’ on-field decision that the player’s act of foul play for a breach of Law 9.13 did not meet the red card threshold due to the absorbing nature of the tackle.

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  #2944071 20-Jul-2022 08:32
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No suspension, yellow card only.

"Having considered all the evidence, the independent committee applied World Rugby's Head Contact Process and agreed with the match officials’ on-field decision that the player’s act of foul play for a breach of Law 9.13 did not meet the red card threshold due to the absorbing nature of the tackle.

 

Totally ridiculous. 

 

You can see in the replay right before impact he is moving upward. 

 

 


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  #2944078 20-Jul-2022 08:51
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Handle9: 

The review of the review took the learnings from the work ons into the review. They got excited and worked on the learnings to review the work ons.

 

What else are they supposed to say? Every teams says it after every loss :)

 

 


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  #2944082 20-Jul-2022 09:13
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networkn:
Handle9: There are rumours on social media about changes in assistant coaches being announced tomorrow.


The end of year review found the assistant coaches were performing pretty poorly, so that seems consistent at least.

 

 

 

This is the problem, you cannot take what "they" say as correct.  Jobs for boys has failed miserably.  The writing was on the wall prior to last world cup.  I am sick of hearing about how the aim is RWC, the All Blacks are a dominant team that are the ones to beat, or at least were.. Ultimately the coaches pick the players, and they set the game plan.  They are also the ones that choose to play players out of position, mix the team week to week, and fail in 3 years to be close to a set combination or team.  This is literally what was happening coming into RWC 2019.

Why does Foster need reviews and the board to tell him to change coaches?  He picked them, it his buck to stop with..  Changes to assistants get made, we play an average Australian team or Springboks team that doesnt show up, RNZ says see, its working and the cracks get papered over again.  The results speak for themselves things are not working..  


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  #2944091 20-Jul-2022 09:35
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Wouldn't blame Scott Robertson if he wanted to keep well clear of this absolute shambles... unfortunately, looks like this current coaching staff will continue, but reckon it's crucial Schmitz plays a much bigger role, at least he has good rugby nous.


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  #2944094 20-Jul-2022 09:41
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itxtme:

 

This is the problem, you cannot take what "they" say as correct.  Jobs for boys has failed miserably.  The writing was on the wall prior to last world cup.  I am sick of hearing about how the aim is RWC, the All Blacks are a dominant team that are the ones to beat, or at least were.. Ultimately the coaches pick the players, and they set the game plan.  They are also the ones that choose to play players out of position, mix the team week to week, and fail in 3 years to be close to a set combination or team.  This is literally what was happening coming into RWC 2019.

Why does Foster need reviews and the board to tell him to change coaches?  He picked them, it his buck to stop with..  Changes to assistants get made, we play an average Australian team or Springboks team that doesnt show up, RNZ says see, its working and the cracks get papered over again.  The results speak for themselves things are not working..  

 

 

The reviews are called by NZR, who employ him, he can't refuse reasonably. They have them every season.  Deficiencies were obviously identified and Foster and the assistants agreed to try and resolve them. They have had 3 tests since then, pretty disrupted ones at that. 

 

I do agree it can be frustrating to see players out of position. Having said that, a fair amount of that is injury forced. Having said that, how are you supposed to try things if you don't actually try them? People are still talking about wanting to see Jordie at Centre?

 

In many positions, I don't feel like we have found the answer. 6 is a good example. Midfield we were making progress, but our first choices are injured/sick. 

 

I really hoped we would win this series 3-0, I thought we would. Ireland came here and outplayed us. 

 

I wonder who they are going to replace and with whom? It seems like Schmidt might take a bigger role than independent selector. 

 

 

 

 


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  #2944096 20-Jul-2022 09:42
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Wouldn't blame Scott Robertson if he wanted to keep well clear of this absolute shambles... unfortunately, looks like this current coaching staff will continue, but reckon it's crucial Schmitz plays a much bigger role, at least he has good rugby nous.

 

 

Robertson has been clear it's head coach or nothing. 

 

I wouldn't take the job now if I was him. He'd be on a hiding to nothing. 

 

 


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