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  #2947215 28-Jul-2022 09:46
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I have been saying for a little while now that we needed to go back to basics and build from there. I like what Ryan is saying, hopefully, it eventuates into something tangible, but it may take more than a test or two to see those changes take effect.  If we subtract the errors from our game and improve our accuracy, we should be competitive. I also feel like perhaps we haven't been able to go 80 minutes, traditionally a strength of the AB's and it's a little concerning. We haven't seen as much impact off the bench. 

 

I recall a few years ago, DC was under big pressure, wasn't playing to his usual standard. They stripped his role back entirely and asked him to do two things well. He made a total turnaround and obviously went on to play a dominant part in the RWC 2015 win. 

 

I agree with your comments re Taylor, as much as it pains me to say it, Taukei'aho should be starting. I am with you on Reiko, he has improved at Center but it would be hard not to given how bad he was at the start. He has made a couple of really nice breaks there and his out and out speed was obvious, but in his best test he still doesn't look as compelling as someone like Goodhue or ALB when they are playing well. He may continue to grow in that role, and that is clearly where they see him and I accept that some players like Nonu and Smith didn't become world-class until a bit later in their careers. His defense has improved, though he still has a tendency to step out of the line and be slow to get back to it. His handling errors are less, but continue, I wonder if it's because he is fast and that causes issues.

 

Reece has done everything you could ask of someone in his role and then also pops up getting turnovers at the breakdown, it would seem unfair to not let him have a wing position. 

 

What happened with Goodhue?




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  #2947246 28-Jul-2022 10:33
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networkn:

 

What happened with Goodhue?

 

 

Not sure and maybe I'm wrong, but I thought someone mentioned on The Breakdown or Aotearoa Rugby Pod that he was injured right now.  Could well be wrong - and hope I am. 

 

I guess the other thing though is that defending against the Boks backline will be a lot easier than against Ireland.  Ireland had really clever plays and could spot and exploit any holes.  SA are much more one dimensional.  They have other strengths.  So Rieko won't be so exposed at centre as long as he can tackle a big man.


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  #2947250 28-Jul-2022 10:37
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Earbanean:

 

Not sure and maybe I'm wrong, but I thought someone mentioned on The Breakdown or Aotearoa Rugby Pod that he was injured right now.  Could well be wrong - and hope I am. 

 

I guess the other thing though is that defending against the Boks backline will be a lot easier than against Ireland.  Ireland had really clever plays and could spot and exploit any holes.  SA are much more one dimensional.  They have other strengths.  So Rieko won't be so exposed at centre as long as he can tackle a big man.

 

 

To be fair to Reiko, his defence in the first test was really excellent. He saved 2 otherwise certain tries. I wasn't as impressed by him in the second and third, though the second was a terrible test to judge any player on in my opinion. 

 

I think Goodhue was injured too, and I saw he wasn't included in the travelling squad, and it would be pretty remarkable if he was dropped. 

 

 




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  #2947388 28-Jul-2022 13:08
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Clarke Dermody is getting some invaluable assistance in his new coaching role with the Highlanders, from Chris Boyd ex Hurricanes coach who took the Hurricanes to a title in 2016. 

 

 


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  #2947421 28-Jul-2022 14:47
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Am is the best centre in the world at the moment and his combination with de Allende is outstanding so it’ll be far from easy.

There are bigger defensive problems in the centres than Ioane. His defense has improved a lot and he makes far fewer mistakes there than others now.

Havilli is a mediocre defender and Ennor is just bad but keeps getting picked.

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  #2947423 28-Jul-2022 14:53
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Handle9: Am is the best centre in the world at the moment and his combination with de Allende is outstanding so it’ll be far from easy.

There are bigger defensive problems in the centres than Ioane. His defense has improved a lot and he makes far fewer mistakes there than others now.

Havilli is a mediocre defender and Ennor is just bad but keeps getting picked.

 

Ennor is there because we are low on centres due to injury and illness. He wasn't in the original squad for Ireland.

 

I haven't looked at the stats Ioane vs Havilli, but I didn't a huge number of missed tackles by Havilli?

 

 


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  #2947429 28-Jul-2022 15:06
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Havilli misses a reasonable number and doesn’t make dominant tackles. He’s very small to be playing 12. Rieko didn’t miss a tackle in the Ireland series, the defensive problems are starting from further in. It’s worth watching Squidges video on the second and third tests. He screwed up some player names but the lack of urgency was interesting.

 
 
 
 

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  #2947441 28-Jul-2022 15:19
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Handle9: Havilli misses a reasonable number and doesn’t make dominant tackles. He’s very small to be playing 12. Rieko didn’t miss a tackle in the Ireland series, the defensive problems are starting from further in. It’s worth watching Squidges video on the second and third tests. He screwed up some player names but the lack of urgency was interesting.

 

I haven't seen the stats so I'll have to take your word for it. Havilli isn't there as a crash bang 12, he is there as a play maker and he was one of the few using his brain rather than his braun during the series when he was playing. It was mentioned during the analysis I watched, he relieved some of the pressure from Barrett.  He has played that role well for the Crusaders in 2022. I am not sure if the international game requires significant bulk at 12. It may well do. I guess we will see what the selectors opt for and how that works out.

 

 

 

Edit: just checked the ESPN stats. Havilli only played the third test, made 5 tackles missed none. Reiko made 6 missed none.

 

 

 

 


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  #2947444 28-Jul-2022 15:34
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Stats don’t tell the whole story. Havilli didn’t get a missed tackle but didn’t get off the line and was trucked for the final Ireland try.

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  #2947446 28-Jul-2022 15:39
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Handle9: Stats don’t tell the whole story. Havilli didn’t get a missed tackle but didn’t get off the line and was trucked for the final Ireland try.

 

Sure, but you said he missed tackles, which he didn't, and I corrected that.

 

Would Reiko have stopped that try you are talking about? If so, fair criticism; hard to know for sure though, it's just speculation.

 

No-one is disputing Havilli is a smaller centre, I guess it depends if the AB's can use his other qualities to compensate. Not every player will play every test either, even when fit, horses for courses.

 

 


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  #2947461 28-Jul-2022 15:52
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Handle9: Stats don’t tell the whole story. Havilli didn’t get a missed tackle but didn’t get off the line and was trucked for the final Ireland try.

 

Sure, but you said he missed tackles, which he didn't, and I corrected that.

 

Would Reiko have stopped that try you are talking about? If so, fair criticism; hard to know for sure though, it's just speculation.

 

No-one is disputing Havilli is a smaller centre, I guess it depends if the AB's can use his other qualities to compensate. Not every player will play every test either, even when fit, horses for courses.

 

 

I said he was a mediocre defender at 12. You took that to mean just missed tackles.

 

Havilli got dropped last year after not coping physically. 

 

What does Reiko have to do with Havilli making an arm tackle in his set piece defensive position? Rieko isn't playing 12, he doesn't defend off the side of the maul.


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  #2947485 28-Jul-2022 16:29
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It's quite funny seeing Steve Hansen talking out both sides of his mouth today. On one hand he says that everything was great when he was there but then criticises the way it's been run since while igoring his role in that.

 

He and Tew stayed too long and what we have now is the result.


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  #2947541 28-Jul-2022 19:27
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AB backline is too predictable and easy to read & nullify - if the opposition are using an umbrella defence to try & stop us getting the ball past our midfield the  halfback needs to fire the ball directly out to our 2nd-five, then he needs to use another skip pass out to the flank... if they're using a straight line defence then our backs should be running off each other on different angles to try and find gaps.

 

When our forwards are not making any ground a kicking game has to be executed... have to definitely change that low percentage tactic of executing box kicks, we don't make much ground going it, also give away too much possession through it, much better to kick in behind them into space to break down a flat defence, we need to be playing smarter rugby overall.


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From a NZ, perhaps global perspective, so many things are tied to the All Blacks in terms of what they represent.

 

In certain circles, they're regarded as the best (greatest?) team irrespective of sport. Much of this is due to their historic international win-loss ratio. Prior to the professional age only the Boks had a better win ratio against us. The win-lost ratio also doesn't include non-test matches - of which the AB's have actually lost quite a few (some of which would have had a fair degree of shall we say, local refereeing interpretation).

 

The brand is unique. There's no cotton-woolled/artificially-streamed competition. The AB's have played whoever is the (next) best, both home and away, for basically 120 years (Bok enforced isolation aside, although we didn't start sending non-white players to the republic until the 69-70 tour).

 

It's why having the winning-est team in history means something. Beating the AB's is a seriously BIG deal - to every team they play. We're hard enough to beat when travelling, let alone in our own back-yard. Which is why Peter O'Mahony was in tears after the 3rd test.

 

Even with our epic RWC-choke syndrome (Boks are #1 in RWC stats), we still seemed to be anchored in the top 3...

 

...until Foster


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zaptor:

 

From a NZ, perhaps global perspective, so many things are tied to the All Blacks in terms of what they represent.

 

In certain circles, they're regarded as the best (greatest?) team irrespective of sport. Much of this is due to their historic international win-loss ratio. Prior to the professional age only the Boks had a better win ratio against us. The win-lost ratio also doesn't include non-test matches - of which the AB's have actually lost quite a few (some of which would have had a fair degree of shall we say, local refereeing interpretation).

 

The brand is unique. There's no cotton-woolled/artificially-streamed competition. The AB's have played whoever is the (next) best, both home and away, for basically 120 years (Bok enforced isolation aside, although we didn't start sending non-white players to the republic until the 69-70 tour).

 

It's why having the winning-est team in history means something. Beating the AB's is a seriously BIG deal - to every team they play. We're hard enough to beat when travelling, let alone in our own back-yard. Which is why Peter O'Mahony was in tears after the 3rd test.

 

Even with our epic RWC-choke syndrome (Boks are #1 in RWC stats), we still seemed to be anchored in the top 3...

 

...until Foster

 

 

Spot on mate... well summed up.


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