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#3019370 10-Jan-2023 06:20

Farrell getting absurdly generous treatment year in, year out is pretty hard to stomach when it's clear his tackling is unsafe and some of the game-ruining reds we've seen in the last few years for relatively minor transgressions in other parts of the world.

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#3019436 10-Jan-2023 10:03

Handle9: But he never gets suspended for anything.

When he gets 3 weeks I guess that’ll be the next outrage.

And rightly so.

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#3019583 10-Jan-2023 14:32

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Handle9: But he never gets suspended for anything.

When he gets 3 weeks I guess that’ll be the next outrage.

And rightly so.

Why? It’s the standard penalty for a high tackle.

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#3019587 10-Jan-2023 14:47

He is a repeat offender, there *should* be no mitigation applied.

They need to send him a clear message. Not that they will.

That's the reason for the 'outrage'.

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#3019593 10-Jan-2023 14:53

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He is a repeat offender, there *should* be no mitigation applied.

They need to send him a clear message. Not that they will.

That's the reason for the 'outrage'.

It’s outrageous to apply the same penalty as everyone else gets. I guess he’s in the same basket as Rennie and the the Cheifs.

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#3019603 10-Jan-2023 15:06

Handle9: It’s outrageous to apply the same penalty as everyone else gets. I guess he’s in the same basket as Rennie and the the Cheifs.

It's outrageous not to give extra punishment to repeat offenders. In the real world the punishments increase based on the number of times you are found guilty of doing something wrong.

Yes, I have a low tolerance for those who repeatedly disregard the safety of others. Shame on me.

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#3019823 11-Jan-2023 08:49

This about sums up the AB's of the last 4 years. Centre remains the problem child of the AB's - as it was in WC 2019, with now the use of JB as a crash ball style centre so close to the world cup, one can only wonder - what if..

Ngani Laumape continues to storm Japan scene

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#3019849 11-Jan-2023 09:13

How a player plays in Japan vs at test level don't usually correlate.

Laumape was given his chance. He never impressed in black and when asked to work on things, he didn't improve in those areas. Is he a good Rugby player? Yes of course. Very impressive at Super Rugby Level, but can you think of a single game in Black where he was the difference between win and lose?

Our issues in the Semi wasn't at center.

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#3019859 11-Jan-2023 09:36

Yes many games, he was a potent ball runner and often broke the gain line - which is what JB now offers. If our centres had been so successful you would have a good argument, except they have been very average, and now a late change to Jordie cements this fact. Also your comment about Japan and Test level is laughable, if that were true Faf de Klerk wouldnt play for the springboks, and Japan wouldnt have made it to the quarter finals - head in the sand a bit me thinks.

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#3019868 11-Jan-2023 10:02

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Yes many games, he was a potent ball runner and often broke the gain line - which is what JB now offers. If our centres had been so successful you would have a good argument, except they have been very average, and now a late change to Jordie cements this fact. Also your comment about Japan and Test level is laughable, if that were true Faf de Klerk wouldnt play for the springboks, and Japan wouldnt have made it to the quarter finals - head in the sand a bit me thinks.

How about you drop the attitude and interact like a normal person?

Just because someone is playing well in Japan, doesn't mean they will play well at Test Level. They are very different pace of games. That is what I meant.

Laumape played 5 tests, you know that right? Even if he was amazing in all 5 (and I'd dispute that), that still wouldn't be 'many'. Coaches made it clear he had been asked to make improvements to his game and hadn't. There was no reason for them to pick on him or treat him badly, sometimes players aren't a good fit for the environment or team or perhaps his attitude wasn't right (my understanding was that he was asked to improve his communication, link play and make better decisions around when to take contact vs passing).

Our tight five was the reason we lost the England semi. To suggest Laumape's presence would have turned that around is strange.

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#3019891 11-Jan-2023 10:34

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Laumape played 5 tests, you know that right? Even if he was amazing in all 5 (and I'd dispute that), that still wouldn't be 'many'.

Dunno where you're getting your stats from but he played 15 tests over four years scoring 8 tries. Pretty good conversion rate at midfield.

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#3019954 11-Jan-2023 11:20

tukapa1:

Dunno where you're getting your stats from but he played 15 tests over four years scoring 8 tries. Pretty good conversion rate at midfield.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngani_Laumape#International_career

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#3019986 11-Jan-2023 12:06

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tukapa1:

Dunno where you're getting your stats from but he played 15 tests over four years scoring 8 tries. Pretty good conversion rate at midfield.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngani_Laumape#International_career

Just goes to show how reliable Wikipedia is.

https://www.allblacks.com/ma/ngani-laumape/

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#3019992 11-Jan-2023 12:18

Just goes to show how reliable Wikipedia is.

https://www.allblacks.com/ma/ngani-laumape/

Fair enough. 15 tests was enough to cement his place if he was what the AB's wanted from a center.

I have nothing against Laumape, he was impressive at Super Rugby, but toward the end of his time in NZ, teams had worked out how to neutralize him by simply stifling the amount of space he had to play. The Canes really suffered because he had become a key part of their attack. At test level the margins are even smaller and his ability to break tackles was even more limited.

I can't recall a single match at test level, where I saw him do something that only Ngani could do (I am sure there may have been some moments). He was fairly one dimensional, crash ball was his weapon.

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#3020153 11-Jan-2023 15:20

networkn:

Just goes to show how reliable Wikipedia is.

https://www.allblacks.com/ma/ngani-laumape/

I can't recall a single match at test level, where I saw him do something that only Ngani could do (I am sure there may have been some moments). He was fairly one dimensional, crash ball was his weapon.

So you want him to be doing things only Ngani can do? Pretty high bar - how many of the other All Blacks do you want doing things only they can do? Name me one that does things only they can do and nobody else in world rugby can do.

Crash ball was Jonah's thing, Julian Savea's thing, Maa's thing. They were pretty handy and given a lot more of a chance to develop than Ngani was - pretty good company to be in.

He had pace as well and some skills with the boot.

Pretty hard to forget this against the French;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9deHJFIIeI

Then you will (or should) remember the pace he showed to burn off Beaudy on the outside against the Blues. Beaudy has real wheels;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtB0l9Zm5rE

The finish on both of those (especially the French) are comparable to Lomu, Savea and Nonu.

I think you're remembering what you want to remember.

And to go back to an earlier discussion about halfbacks with Weber leaving, you asked me if I rated Perenara. Not at All Black level anymore I don't, and haven't for a wee while. I still believe that Weber is the second best halfback in the country, and at times last season while Smith was spluttering his way around, I would have had Weber starting.

Fokotava has done nothing to prove himself at test level. Christie did nothing to prove himself at test level. Do you disagree? Name your top three halfbacks in order based on what they have proven at test level. After all that is the bar you set for Ngani.

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