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  #3020281 11-Jan-2023 20:06
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tukapa1:

 

So you want him to be doing things only Ngani can do?  Pretty high bar - how many of the other All Blacks do you want doing things only they can do?  Name me one that does things only they can do and nobody else in world rugby can do.

 

 

What I mean is, something(s) that separates him from most or all others at 12. Someone who scores a try they basically had to fall over the line to score, then that's anyones try. The example against the French, yep, that was very very good. Few players could have scored that.  The try against BB was good, but BB had to turn from stopped, Ngani had the head start, BB was catching him up. Almost got him. I think it was a good try, but perhaps not as brilliant as you do.

 

 

 

I think you're remembering what you want to remember. (had to bold this as I can't quote it)

 

 

 

What possible motivation do you see me having for that? What nefarious motivation do you think the AB's had for not giving Ngani more time? The coaches made clear the reasons were because he was asked to work on areas of his game they deemed problematic, and he hadn't improved sufficiently. Sometimes you can be an excellent player and not a right fit for the team, the culture, or the current gameplay needs of the squad (don't currently need a crash baller at 12 for the way the team wants to play for example).

 

Not once did I say he wasn't a good Rugby player, in fact I've said the opposite.  I have no axe to grind, I'd have been happy for him to be the next Maa' but he wasn't/isn't. Instead of doing what many players do, and take the feedback, work on their game and bide their time, he decided to head overseas, and has since made a bunch of what I consider to be butthurt petulant comments about how he was treated.

 

He had dropped off what he was at the heights of his time with the Hurricanes, a lot to do with the fact that teams worked out how to neutralize him.

 

 

 

 

Fokotava has done nothing to prove himself at test level.  Christie did nothing to prove himself at test level.  Do you disagree?  Name your top three halfbacks in order based on what they have proven at test level.  After all that is the bar you set for Ngani.

 

 

Fokotava barely played due to injury. All the Half backs struggled this year, but there is a fair bit to be put on the tight five who were poor at the start of the year. No, I haven't been impressed by Christie, he seemed an odd choice to start with to me, no, Fakatava wasn't as impressive at test level, but pretty hard to judge that under the circumstances.  Perhaps Weber is the second best in the country though that says less about him and more about the general performance of the half backs currently playing.

 

Brad is 31, he would be 35 heading to the next world cup, we need to look to the future, but I feel we haven't seen the emergence of someone to replace Smith (Fakatava probably has the best 'potential').

 

I think Bryn Hall played well for the Crusaders esp in the last two years, he has a very crisp and accurate pass, he isn't slow to the ruck like Perenara, but again, at 30, he isn't the future.

 

Half Back, 10 and Lock are the areas I worry about the most post RWC.

 

 

 

 




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  #3020336 12-Jan-2023 01:27
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Handle9: But he never gets suspended for anything.

When he gets 3 weeks I guess that’ll be the next outrage.


4 weeks, reduced to 3 with completion of the CIP. I’m off to make the popcorn.

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  #3020639 12-Jan-2023 19:48
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So the 6 Nations is 4 weeks away, he initially gets 4 weeks, but is allowed to have a week off for completing a tackle improvement course, which he did last time he got banned and it obviously worked so well. Instead of increasing his punishment as is normal in life for repeat offences, he gets *less* punishment and low and behold, magically is available to play for England in the 6N.

 

Yeah, World Rugby and Owen Farrell really care about player safety.

 

Tui Billboard.

 

At this rate, if he kills someone or gives them a life altering injury, they will Knight him and erect a statue of him outside Twickenham.

 

I guess we should be 'grateful' they decided to punish him at all. 

 

 

 

 




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  #3020642 12-Jan-2023 20:00
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Wrong again. The coaching intervention process only came about in July 2021. Don't let the facts get in the way of your frothing.

 

 


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  #3020661 12-Jan-2023 21:37
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Handle9:

 

Wrong again. The coaching intervention process only came about in July 2021. Don't let the facts get in the way of your frothing.

 

 

 

 

Don't be a dick. Isn't that one of the rules here?  You can be pedantic about the fact it wasn't *called* the same thing previously all you want, but he underwent tackle and safe tackling technique training previously for his previous infringements.


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  #3020665 12-Jan-2023 21:52
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networkn:

 

Handle9:

 

Wrong again. The coaching intervention process only came about in July 2021. Don't let the facts get in the way of your frothing.

 

 

Don't be a dick. Isn't that one of the rules here?  You can be pedantic about the fact it wasn't *called* the same thing previously all you want, but he underwent tackle and safe tackling technique training previously for his previous infringements.

 

 

The coaching intervention program didn't exist prior to 2021. That is a fact. There was no mandated program from world rugby. You keep saying things that aren't true, like Farrell got a reduced sentence due to being a repeat offender. If he was a first time offender he would have gotten 3 weeks, he got 4 as that mitigation was not applied.

 

It's pretty funny that there was none of this moralising about how bad the sentence was last year when Scott Barrett got the same sentence for a similar offence playing for the Crusaders.


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  #3020667 12-Jan-2023 22:13
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Handle9:

 

The coaching intervention program didn't exist prior to 2021. That is a fact. There was no mandated program from world rugby. You keep saying things that aren't true, like Farrell got a reduced sentence due to being a repeat offender. If he was a first time offender he would have gotten 3 weeks, he got 4 as that mitigation was not applied.

 

It's pretty funny that there was none of this moralising about how bad the sentence was last year when Scott Barrett got the same sentence for a similar offence playing for the Crusaders.

 

 

You are having a comprehension failure. I have not claimed he got a reduced sentence because he is a repeat offender, I have a serious problem with him getting a reduced sentence *because* he *is* a repeat offender. This punishment will mean nothing to him, he has lost *nothing* with this punishment, therefore what incentive does he have to correct his behaviour? It's certainly not care of his fellow players.

 

I wondered how long it would take before you found a way to slag the Crusaders again. I have been *extremely* critical of players, including those who play for the Crusaders, All Blacks and everyone else for that matter, who are careless or reckless. Perhaps go back and read up again since it's slipped your mind.

 

I have no time for careless or reckless players regardless of who they play for. I have similar disdain for those who enable it, and fans who try to excuse it.

 

If Scott Barrett has a similar incident after undergoing his training (and his tackle technique has improved significantly) then they 100% should throw the maximum available sentence at him next time. No discount for anything. That is how it should be. Is that clear enough for you?

 

It's a full contact sport, enough unavoidable injuries happen by total unavoidable accident. We need to eliminate as much as is possible, careless and reckless acts.

 

I can't find it right now, but the last time he got in serious trouble for tackling, he acknowledged his tackle technique was unacceptable and made mention of spending a lot of time with the coaches trying to resolve it. Regardless of whether that was 'mandated' or 'officially in line with world rugby guidelines' he 'supposedly' did training to improve his tackling. That was obviously time well spent.


 
 
 

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  #3020674 12-Jan-2023 22:38
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You were happy that Scott Barrett didn't get cited for his shoulder charge on Peter O'Mahony, after his most recent suspension.

 

You commented that you were worried about him costing his team but no moralising about how he might kill someone or how wrong the sentence was. There was no comment on what a bad person he must be to do such a thing. There was a comment that his technique had improved. You made zero comment about his suspension. 

 

That is not extremely critical.


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  #3021190 14-Jan-2023 11:18
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I can't really be bothered scrolling back through multiple pages to check what I actually wrote, but giving you benefit of the doubt you aren't misquoting me to suit your own interpretation, let me be clear(er) since it's obviously a problem for you.

 

Scott Barrett's tackling technique was totally unacceptable, repeated infringements means he wasn't taking the matter seriously.  He could hurt someone or kill them even. If his bad technique continues, he should be increasingly heavily punished or no longer selected. He should no longer be allowed mitigation in punishments. I support his treatment to be equal to Farrells.

 

That *seems* to have changed post his intervention, which to me, shows he understands it's unacceptable. If it reverts, see above. I think Barrett is a very good player, but yes, I think he can be thuggish and I don't consider that acceptable. I hope he has learned from his mistakes, evidence seems to indicate so.

 

I can't recall the player but I think it was during the Ireland series where a similar tackle was made in an almost identical manner by an Irish player (Mahoney perhaps) which also wasn't punished.

 

Happy now?

 

 


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And in breaking news. Dave Rennie has been sacked as coach of the Wallabies, effective immediately, with Eddie Jones taking over on a 5 year contract.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/300785129/dave-rennie-sacked-as-wallabies-coach-replaced-by-eddie-jones

 

 






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  #3022002 16-Jan-2023 12:28
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With the lowest winning percentage of any Wallabies coach and with questions over how many injuries were sustained under his tenure, along with ever worsening discipline problems, I am only surprised at the timing rather than the outcome. It would have been better to have made that call a year ago. The writing was on the wall back then too. People kept saying they were on the right track and there were some signs of that but not really enough and there were some clear warning signs too.

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Slightly rugby related but I see Ian Smith has parted ways with Sky NZ and will no longer commentate for them. Sounds like a mutual agreement but you'd have to think Sky is looking to "broaden" their commentary team





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  #3022376 16-Jan-2023 22:18
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JPNZ:

 

Slightly rugby related but I see Ian Smith has parted ways with Sky NZ and will no longer commentate for them. Sounds like a mutual agreement but you'd have to think Sky is looking to "broaden" their commentary team

 

 

I saw that. I am going to miss the familiarity, but I have seen some pretty decent sideline commentators start to emerge, some of them with some insightful comments. Smithy was good for recalling stats etc, but rarely had much to add in terms of analysis of the game being played.

 

 


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  #3022919 17-Jan-2023 19:39
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  #3022920 17-Jan-2023 19:40
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It’s the final New Zealand 7s tournament this week. It’s kind of sad but also understandable with the condensed schedule from 2024. Is anyone going?

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