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#3153861 31-Oct-2023 08:15

Handle9:

You quite literally have to make it clear to the referee that you have released the player. The tip is in the “clear” part of clear release.

Well, in this instance it was clear, Barnes wasn't paying attention there right then. The replay showed clear release.

Referees make mistakes, it happens.

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#3153875 31-Oct-2023 08:23

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Handle9:

You quite literally have to make it clear to the referee that you have released the player. The tip is in the “clear” part of clear release.

Well, in this instance it was clear, Barnes wasn't paying attention there right then. The replay showed clear release.

Referees make mistakes, it happens.

There was a release. It happened very fast and in realtime it looked a fair enough penalty so it’s hardly a crime for getting it wrong.

It was claimed in an earlier post that there was an apology for the decision, which there was not, nor was there a penalty try against Aaron Smith in the Ireland game.

It’s all a bit tiresome. The refereeing didn’t cost New Zealand the game.

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#3153882 31-Oct-2023 08:38

Handle9:

It’s all a bit tiresome. The refereeing didn’t cost New Zealand the game.

I think this is where you are going wrong. In a 1 point game where the kick from said incorrect penalty went over, by its very definition cost NZ the game.

What I think you are getting at is that we had ample other opportunities that we did not convert and finishing all or any of those would have won us the game. I agree with that, we were the better second half team and we should have made more of our dominance inside their half. We shelled multiple chances, and that's pressure, so good on them.

I am also acutely aware that the referee team costing NZ the game is a massive talking point in NZ, but has zero traction anywhere else in the world, and that says a lot about how most viewed it.

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#3153910 31-Oct-2023 09:56

Refereeing cost most teams the game in close games. soccer, rugby, same thing. people just don't put a microscope on it.

by my analysis it's the TMO interjecting. i thought WB did nothing wrong. i thought if WB wanted an opinion he could ask. but the TMO was controlling things and not WB.

if the TMO wanted to put a microscope on incidents, he should look at every player, every contact, every second, every break down, every ruck, not just when he felt like it.

but it is what it is, happens at every close game, people just don't complain about it too much.

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#3153929 31-Oct-2023 10:36

Handle9:

You quite literally have to make it clear to the referee that you have released the player. The tip is in the “clear” part of clear release.

You mean a word that doesn't appear in the rules around the tackle situation at all?

https://www.world.rugby/the-game/laws/law/14/

Tacklers must:
1. Immediately release the ball and the ball-carrier after both players go to ground.
2. Immediately move away from the tackled player and from the ball or get up.
3. Be on their feet before attempting to play the ball.
4. Allow the tackled player to release or play the ball.
5. Allow the tackled player to move away from the ball.

I think I can do fine without any more of your 'tips' eh.

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#3153933 31-Oct-2023 10:52

Handsomedan:

Overall, despite the fact that the AB's lost, I have to say as a casual rugby viewer, the rules and the constant stopping and starting, the changes to scrums, the interference by TMO etc have made rugby a boring watch for me and many like me.

It's a really hard watch now and has little flow and very little to attract the casual fan.

If the global powers that be do not address this, I fear for the future of the game. It's become stale, slow and boring.

SA were the better team, NZ made too many mistakes but the post by Dan above is the nuts and bolts for me.

Rugby is dying a slow death around the world. There is too much misinterpretation of the rules and the TMO seems to chime in and out depending on how he feels. It makes the game so stop start and reduces the actual flow of the sport.

World rugby has a massive problem and needs to get on and solve it

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#3153940 31-Oct-2023 11:09

itxtme:

I think this is where you are going wrong. In a 1 point game where the kick from said incorrect penalty went over, by its very definition cost NZ the game.

What I think you are getting at is that we had ample other opportunities that we did not convert and finishing all or any of those would have won us the game. I agree with that, we were the better second half team and we should have made more of our dominance inside their half. We shelled multiple chances, and that's pressure, so good on them.

I am also acutely aware that the referee team costing NZ the game is a massive talking point in NZ, but has zero traction anywhere else in the world, and that says a lot about how most viewed it.

To be fair, we missed a penalty and a conversion - enough kicks to win by four points.

The officiating of the game was poor, at times, but that was to be expected given who the ref was and the ABs should have played accordingly. The TMO had way too much input into the game. He was even chirping up at times to say he hadn't found anything!

Three yellows and one red, for what were clearly accidental contacts and a genuine attempt to intercept a pass. I felt so sorry for Kolbe, he was very hard done by.

The ABs stuck it out admirably, given the way the cookie crumbled. But 14 vs 17 against a very good side is a tough ask.

Also, one of the worst pitches I've seen for quite some time in international rugby. That was evident in the number of handling errors made by both sides. Hardly a showcase of high-level rugby.

My overriding memory of this world cup will be the officiating. It shouldn't be that way. The referees aren't meant to be the stars of the tournament.

Soccer had a Soccer World Cup beset by poor refereeing and they reviewed the officiating after that. Hopefully, World Rugby does the same. I'd hope they look at a TMO system more like that used in Cricket or the NRL. The players get a limited number of reviews, but until someone asks, the TMO has to STFU. Right now, TMOs are interjecting far too much to the detriment of the game.

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#3154010 31-Oct-2023 14:41

GV27:
Handle9:

You quite literally have to make it clear to the referee that you have released the player. The tip is in the “clear” part of clear release.

You mean a word that doesn't appear in the rules around the tackle situation at all?

https://www.world.rugby/the-game/laws/law/14/

Tacklers must:

Immediately release the ball and the ball-carrier after both players go to ground.

Immediately move away from the tackled player and from the ball or get up.

Be on their feet before attempting to play the ball.

Allow the tackled player to release or play the ball.

Allow the tackled player to move away from the ball.

I think I can do fine without any more of your 'tips' eh.

Found the replay of the Aaron Smith penalty try yet?

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#3154025 31-Oct-2023 15:10

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Found the replay of the Aaron Smith penalty try yet?

Why do you do that? If you are right, provide citation, otherwise, it's OK to admit you were incorrect. Everyone is wrong sometimes.

I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken :)

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#3154079 31-Oct-2023 15:35

You can say what you want about his coaching, but the way he has handled the pressure heaped on him, the abuse levelled at him, the negativity from the press and the unholy way his employer treated him throughout, has been pretty much beyond reproach. He is a FAR better communicator than Hansen was (who to his credit made an effort to improve). He is humble, and calm and composed and that says something about a person.

If nothing else, he was an excellent man manager, his team clearly liked him, were prepared to front to the NZRU Board to defend him, and his internal reviews were always positive. He has been inciteful at his pressers and was graceful in defeat and magnanimous in success. A lesser man could have had plenty to say at this press conference to his detractors. I genuinely hope he finds something that gives him some fulfilment and enjoyment and in his next role

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#3154084 31-Oct-2023 15:51

networkn:
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Found the replay of the Aaron Smith penalty try yet?

Why do you do that? If you are right, provide citation, otherwise, it's OK to admit you were incorrect. Everyone is wrong sometimes.

I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken :)

I didn’t make the claim that there was a penalty try against Aaron Smith earlier in the tournament.

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#3154093 31-Oct-2023 15:58

Wombat1:

I saw that knock on when watching, in fact most of us watching saw it. I was not surprised when that try was taken off the board.

I saw it too, but IIRC Barnes said out loud at the time that it wasn't a knock on. He was wrong, but he made the ruling.

Play then continued for four phases after which a try was scored. At that point, based on everything I have read, the TMO can only go back two phases.

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#3154097 31-Oct-2023 16:06

Handle9:

I didn’t make the claim that there was a penalty try against Aaron Smith earlier in the tournament.

It's a really poor way to have a discussion, if you make a claim, it's disproven, and rather than you admit you are wrong, you change the subject.

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#3154101 31-Oct-2023 16:19

networkn:
Handle9:

I didn’t make the claim that there was a penalty try against Aaron Smith earlier in the tournament.

It's a really poor way to have a discussion, if you make a claim, it's disproven, and rather than you admit you are wrong, you change the subject.

It wasn’t disproven. The discussion was around clear release. Clear has a meaning which at no point was disputed.

The term clear release is used in every rugby match in the world to interpret the law. It’s not hard to understand.

As part of the tirade about refereeing there was a comment that there was an apology for a decision (there wasn’t) and that there should have been a penalty try against Kolbe as there had been a decision against Smith that resulted in a penalty try earlier in the tournament (there hadn’t).

It’s not changing the subject.

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#3154108 31-Oct-2023 16:44

MikeAqua:

Three yellows and one red, for what were clearly accidental contacts and a genuine attempt to intercept a pass.

There does not need to be intent for a yellow or red card. It only needs to be reckless.

There is no attempt to genuinely intercept that pass. He threw his hand at the ball, just as Smith did in the quarter final. Both were correctly yellow cards.

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