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#3277062 30-Aug-2024 10:58

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We will have to see. Historically his issue has been coming back after injury to fire on all cylinders and so people finally seeing is not really true, its the consistency he has lacked. But agreed when he plays well he is a big asset. He has got history with ill discipline in the ruck and tackle space which under the newer rules does not serve the team well. I get the feeling this occurs more often with him because he is pushing the limit on physicality, which is no good if you site out the game from the 28 minute mark...

I don't think he's any more prone to cards than a most loose forwards. His 4 yellows and 1 red are equal to Scott Barrett's 3 yellows are 2 reds. Far less than Michael Hooper's 9 yellows, or even Bryan Habana's 7 yellows. Yes that red card may have cost us the world cup final, but you can't say he's any more carded than others in his position.

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#3277116 30-Aug-2024 11:04

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Cane to start, that feels like a good decision to me. I think finally people are starting to see what he provides. We haven't got anyone who shifts bodies like him to replace him when he goes, and that's a serious problem.

Yeah, totally agree. When it comes down to trench warfare, Cane's one of the best in the game. Also, experience with playing in SA, dealing with pressure, etc, is all invaluable for a tough assignment lik ethis.

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I feel like we have a reasonable chance against the boks if we can get set peice parity and keep the pace of the game high. If the referee allows the Boks to slow the game down with endless water, injury and ever so slow set peice set up delays.

I actually think this Bok team is moving away from that. They look a lot fitter and play more expansively. Also, given the altitude factor, they might just try to run as around a bit. Especially since they can replace pretty much their whole forward pack early in the second half.

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#3277120 30-Aug-2024 11:11

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Cane to start, that feels like a good decision to me. I think finally people are starting to see what he provides. We haven't got anyone who shifts bodies like him to replace him when he goes, and that's a serious problem.

We will have to see. Historically his issue has been coming back after injury to fire on all cylinders and so people finally seeing is not really true, its the consistency he has lacked. But agreed when he plays well he is a big asset. He has got history with ill discipline in the ruck and tackle space which under the newer rules does not serve the team well. I get the feeling this occurs more often with him because he is pushing the limit on physicality, which is no good if you site out the game from the 28 minute mark...

Disregarding his red card in the final, I don't think he has a discipline problem, nor a problem with consistency in his performances. He has had a number of injury and head injury breaks and that will have an impact on the consistency of his availability, but at test level, he's been pretty good. I think it's a shame he is going overseas, Papa'ili isn't a fraction as good at moving bodies.

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#3277184 30-Aug-2024 14:18

Well for weeks looking ahead to this game I was expecting a close loss but in the last few days I've been feeling quite positive. Maybe the AB's will sneak a close game by between 1-10?

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#3277610 1-Sep-2024 03:49

Good game so far. A few missed/odd calls by the ref here and there. The local DJ doesn’t know what they’re up to.

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#3277611 1-Sep-2024 04:53

Great game from SA. That’s one that got away due to a lack of composure from the forwards. Just too many penalties.

The refereeing was awful but it was in the All Blacks hands to win that.

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#3277612 1-Sep-2024 05:36

BB’s decision making with the boot was a bit average eh.

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#3277615 1-Sep-2024 06:39

Wakrak: BB’s decision making with the boot was a bit average eh.

He didn’t have his best game but he didn’t give away constant cheap penalties in the All Blacks half. Just really poor levels of composure.

That and hopeless exits again. It’s been a mess all year and it’s not close to being fixed.

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#3277680 1-Sep-2024 09:04

Unfortunately today the poor officiating was the difference between two good teams playing nowhere near their potential.

1) The dropped ball on the tryline, not even reviewed

2) The penalty against TJ for talking too loud to the ref, in a stadium full of South African fans screaming their heads out and a DJ blasting music that dominated the broadcast audio, that killed an attacking play (SA had just infringed by rolling over the ball as they 'rolled away' which is what he was going off about - the ref did not do anything about it so I can understand his frustration).

3) The SA line-out maul being allowed to stop and start multiple times without the ref telling them they had to clear the ball. Is this now just not a rule at all? I thought it had been changed to allow for a single drop in momentum before you got told to use it. This was decisive in the maul that Tuʻungafasi was penalised in.

4) The penalty against the All Blacks who secured a turnover / not releasing penalty in the dying moments of the game.

Unfortunately this kind of crappy officiating is now becoming a theme in separating the ABs and SA, although neither team were at their best, but it seems to keep turning out the same way.

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#3277687 1-Sep-2024 10:20

GV27:

Unfortunately today the poor officiating was the difference between two good teams playing nowhere near their potential.

1) The dropped ball on the tryline, not even reviewed

2) The penalty against TJ for talking too loud to the ref, in a stadium full of South African fans screaming their heads out and a DJ blasting music that dominated the broadcast audio, that killed an attacking play (SA had just infringed by rolling over the ball as they 'rolled away' which is what he was going off about - the ref did not do anything about it so I can understand his frustration).

3) The SA line-out maul being allowed to stop and start multiple times without the ref telling them they had to clear the ball. Is this now just not a rule at all? I thought it had been changed to allow for a single drop in momentum before you got told to use it. This was decisive in the maul that Tuʻungafasi was penalised in.

4) The penalty against the All Blacks who secured a turnover / not releasing penalty in the dying moments of the game.

Unfortunately this kind of crappy officiating is now becoming a theme in separating the ABs and SA, although neither team were at their best, but it seems to keep turning out the same way.

Bang on. I would consider myself a pretty typical rugby fan. When it came to the AB's I would get up at all hours to watch them and wouldn't miss a game. Since the 2019 World Cup, the officiating has become so much of a lottery and distraction that I just don't watch anymore. The only test match I've watched in the last 3 years was the World Cup final last year - which was a perfect example of why people like me aren't watching anymore.

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#3277698 1-Sep-2024 11:44

That was a disappointing end.

Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Annoyed at some of the refereeing decisions, esp the dropped ball over the line by the SA Hooker.

TJP can be brilliant, but for the fact at least two turn overs due to his lack of speed clearing the rucks and yet again his big mouth getting him penalized, the sooner we get players up to scratch to replace him, the better. I will say, the speed of his pass and general accuracy is probably the best I've seen from him.

Blackadder not making that last pass was horrible, thankfully, we scored anyway.

Kicking away possession with 90 seconds to go is fairly brain dead, and needless penalties were frustrating.

We did get slightly better than set peice parity, that is a massive plus, the tries we scored were really nice.

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#3277755 1-Sep-2024 13:07

Stuff reckons the starters were OK to good (average rating 6.8/10), the reserves were poor to awful (average rating 2.9/10)

Fair call?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350391992/all-blacks-player-ratings-jordie-barrett-blitzes-it-then-bench-blow-it-loss

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#3277757 1-Sep-2024 13:22

Thought Talea was hard done by, ended up a proxy 15 and didn't really do anything wrong, there wasn't a whole heap of feeding his wing tonight.

Peranara getting a 5 is generous.

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#3277833 1-Sep-2024 15:43

We can blame the referee as much as we like but the All Blacks had a double digit lead in the final quarter and got run over. The last quarter the refereeing had minimal impact, poor decisions and an inability to cope with pressure was what lost the game.

When a referee calls don’t change your bind and then tells you to get out of a maul you don’t just stand there. It was far from the only example of sloppy work around the ruck and maul. When we’re under pressure we are making poor decisions in the breakdown

Our exits this year have been the worst I’ve ever seen. The attention to detail isn’t there. If it was Ian Foster coaching this side there would be baying for blood.

I said before the game a 5-3 bench looked like the wrong call and I think it was. The backline substitutions seemed to make things worse not better.

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#3277886 1-Sep-2024 16:46

GV27:
3) The SA line-out maul being allowed to stop and start multiple times without the ref telling them they had to clear the ball. Is this now just not a rule at all? I thought it had been changed to allow for a single drop in momentum before you got told to use it. This was decisive in the maul that Tuʻungafasi was penalised in.

4) The penalty against the All Blacks who secured a turnover / not releasing penalty in the dying moments of the game.

Unfortunately this kind of crappy officiating is now becoming a theme in separating the ABs and SA, although neither team were at their best, but it seems to keep turning out the same way.

The maul is allowed to stop twice before use it is called. It doesn’t have to be moving much, it just has to be moving.

The Savea decision was that he didn’t come through the gate which was correct. He was on the side when he put his hands on the ball and then moved his feet behind the breakdown to appear to have come through the gate but he didn’t.

The actual bad decision on that sequence was not calling release when Darry had his knees on the ground. Brace never called it and then Darry got stripped.

Darry made a weak carry though. He can’t go in passively in that situation or he makes it too easy for the springboks to get their hands on the ball.

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