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mentalinc
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  #2903513 18-Apr-2022 16:28
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What are peoples thoughts on something like Polygon Cascade 4 https://www.evocycles.co.nz/Product/502757/2022-polygon-cascade-4-27-5 or Silverback Stride: https://www.evocycles.co.nz/Product/100197/2022-silverback-stride-27-se#

 

Will only be riding with my kid around packs, no proper MTB.

 

Or what other options around that price point ($500 or so) are worth considering?





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  #2903548 18-Apr-2022 20:51
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mentalinc:

 

What are peoples thoughts on something like Polygon Cascade 4 https://www.evocycles.co.nz/Product/502757/2022-polygon-cascade-4-27-5 or Silverback Stride: https://www.evocycles.co.nz/Product/100197/2022-silverback-stride-27-se#

 

Will only be riding with my kid around packs, no proper MTB.

 

Or what other options around that price point ($500 or so) are worth considering?

 

 

I think either would be OK. I'm not an MTB rider but I'd probably go for the disk brake model.

 

What is important is to get the right size frame, one that suits your build. Also make sure the seat height is set properly and the handle bars set up for the reach of your arms to give you the posture want.





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  #2903549 18-Apr-2022 21:12
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SNicolle: I’ve got one of those thules. It’s excellent. I have the two bike one, works great w my 2x29ers. Easy to access the boot on the outlander and locks so I don’t worry about the bikes.
It’s a bit heavy and cumbersome getting on off depending on how big/strong you are, worth understanding but not an issue.

 

Thanks for the reply. Yep, not all that light at 14 kg, but it does look relatively simple to fit. I don't think any of the similar racks would be substantially lighter either. I like the tilt function even though we will probably be able to get into the boot without tilting. 

 

Also I like the fact the bikes are spaced apart, firmly held, and cannot rub and bang against each other. I made some "bones" out of rubber hose and velcro which I place between the bike frames to stop them swinging back and forth on our current rack. These worked well but putting the bikes on the rack was a bit fiddly. The Thule is much simpler in this regard and the bikes are easier to get onto the rack which means my wife should be able to do it if she ever needs to as the current rack is too hard for her to put the bike onto.

 

The locking function on the Thule is pretty good too. I read on one review that you need to ensure you get one where the same key is used for all the locks. Do you need more than one key to open the locks?





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  #2903582 18-Apr-2022 22:07
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Thanks @Technofreak what are the other bike options for just riding around with kids (not on MTB trails etc?), this will be my first bike as an adult.





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  #2903616 19-Apr-2022 08:16
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Just did the Dunstan trail and a few other rides around Queenstown/Cromwell/Arrowtown over the long weekend.  Really cool casual riding in that part of the country.  Also lots of places to stop for a beer, wine, coffee or snack.  One thing I've concluded: Rear suspension is essential on an e-bike on trails.  Otherwise, it gets very old very fast.





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  #2903682 19-Apr-2022 09:34
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Technofreak:

 

Also I like the fact the bikes are spaced apart, firmly held, and cannot rub and bang against each other. I made some "bones" out of rubber hose and velcro which I place between the bike frames to stop them swinging back and forth on our current rack. These worked well but putting the bikes on the rack was a bit fiddly. The Thule is much simpler in this regard and the bikes are easier to get onto the rack which means my wife should be able to do it if she ever needs to as the current rack is too hard for her to put the bike onto.

 

The locking function on the Thule is pretty good too. I read on one review that you need to ensure you get one where the same key is used for all the locks. Do you need more than one key to open the locks?

 

 

 

 

I need to look up which model mine is, I have the one with the lights and number plate holder. 925 maybe. My thoughts on it are that I like it in principle over the traditional two prong downhill rack. The bikes block less of the rear view and it's easy to lift them only a foot or two onto the rack. They are well made and as you've noted, quite heavy.

 

Mine must've done 30,000kms on the back of my car (I take my bike when I work) and it's not remotely come loose on the towbar. That said, there are a few things I don't like about it. Mine is for three bikes, but there is no way you would get three adult bikes on it, the only chance is if you had three traditional shaped bikes (double diamond hardtails) or a child's bike. I took the middle trays out so that mine and my partner's bike have plenty of room.

 

The clamps are a bit crap, you can actually slide them off whatever tube you've clamped them around if you push hard enough. And there is an element of tetris required to actually line the clamps up. It's fine if you are always using the same bike or two, you kind of get the hand of it. But if you have full suspension bikes with non traditional tube shapes it can be awkward to feed the clamps through to grab the rack. I would much prefer they replicated the roof rack where they had the clamp lift up from the bottom and grab the down tube. 

 

I've also had the clamps let go twice, at 100kmh. The first time the wheel tethers held, but the bike still fell over and grazed the road before bouncing back up and the tethers held it off the road, result was new grip and handlebar. Second time was slower and the bike never touched the ground. In both cases it was a non traditional shaped frame, the clamps really only want to grab oval or round tubes. Since then I've run a bungy over the bikes. 

 

If you are in Auckland I'm happy to show how they work, they have multiple variations but they all seem to clamp the bikes the same way. 

 

The same key works for the lock to the towbar, and for the clamps, so I leave it on my car key ring. I also have an extremely heavy motorcycle lock that I use on longer trips to lock the rack, and the bikes to car chassis due to the ability slip the clamps off. 

 

As you can see in the picture, I don't have a lot of clamping options for my main bike. 

 

 

 

 

 


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  #2903684 19-Apr-2022 09:43
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mudguard: How much drop does the post give you? They really are something you don't think you need and then you get one and wonder how you rode for so long without one!

No riding for me. Just had a hip replaced, the one I broke mountain biking two years ago. The original repair held up but the ball of my femur died so had to get the whole lot replaced.

 

I'm not sure, it's a cheaper dropper so probably 100mm, 125 if I'm lucky. I've just lowered the whole assembly to better suit my height so at least I'll be able to use the whole of that range.

 

I agree, being able to lower it easily and without stopping is awesome.

 

 

 

Yikes, hopefully you'll be back in action in good time. I was going to ask how you broke your hip but it's probably too traumatic to tell or read that tale.





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  #2903685 19-Apr-2022 09:48
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Technofreak:

 

What bike racks are people on here using?

 

We have an EziGrip single prong rack which has clamps for the top bar. It's worked well over the past 15 years or so but it doesn't work so well with one of the newer bikes we have.

 

I've been looking at one of these, Thule 925 Velocompact. https://www.thule.com/en-nz/bike-rack/towbar-bike-racks/thule-velocompact-2-13-pin-_-924021 

 

Any comments, plusses, minuses? They're a bit spendy but seem easy to fit the bikes on and have a handy tilt function.

 

 

I have one of these: Torpedo 7 4 bike channel rack

 

I love it. I also have an older style 2 bike rack that is just awkward to use with full suspension MTB's with sloping/curved top tubes. 

 

 

 

Quattro Towball Mount 4 Bike Channel Rack

 

 





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  #2903687 19-Apr-2022 09:53
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mentalinc:

 

What are peoples thoughts on something like Polygon Cascade 4 https://www.evocycles.co.nz/Product/502757/2022-polygon-cascade-4-27-5 or Silverback Stride: https://www.evocycles.co.nz/Product/100197/2022-silverback-stride-27-se#

 

Will only be riding with my kid around packs, no proper MTB.

 

Or what other options around that price point ($500 or so) are worth considering?

 

 

I rode a Silverback Stride Expert for a couple of years (even took it to Skyline Rotorua and Fourforty Auckland downhill parks) and it was great. Sold it to my father in law and he uses it to potter about on paths and roads. 

 

I wouldn't get the SE though - very much a non-MTB in MTB shape. It has a number of features from the 90's that should have stayed there. 

 

The Polygon is a better buy at that price point, but if you can stretch a couple of hundred further, you get a more future-proof bike with a modern 1x drivetrain and slightly better brakes, frame geometry etc. 

 

Personally, I'd go the Stride Sport. 





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  #2903688 19-Apr-2022 09:54
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Handsomedan:

 

 

 

I have one of these: Torpedo 7 4 bike channel rack

 

I love it. I also have an older style 2 bike rack that is just awkward to use with full suspension MTB's with sloping/curved top tubes. 

 

 

 

Quattro Towball Mount 4 Bike Channel Rack

 

 

 

 

I think that's a better design, as there is a vertical pole for each bike, so there is more flexibility with the clamp. 


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Technofreak:

 

What bike racks are people on here using?

 

 

https://www.torpedo7.co.nz/products/T7CATN9M3/title/4-bike-rack-mk3

 

These were on special last year for not much over $100. Actually pretty solid steel construction and at that price = a good deal.

 

My workmate told me he uses square rubbery floor tiles between each bike to avoid rubbing etc. Make a round hole and push one on each prong after each bike.

 

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elpenguino:

 

Yikes, hopefully you'll be back in action in good time. I was going to ask how you broke your hip but it's probably too traumatic to tell or read that tale.

 

 

Ah last run of the last day of a four day riding trip in Queenstown. Just fell off doing 5kmh around a tricky corner. I was unlucky as my hip hit the ground first and took the brunt of it and snapped clean through just below the ball of my femur. A long cold wait and carried out (too many trees for a helicopter) overnight in the Queenstown medical centre (no hospital in Queenstown) then a three hour ambo down to Invercargill first thing and into surgery. I have the chest footage but it's not that spectacular, I thought I just had a 'dead leg' until I tried to stand and my foot was wonky. 


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  #2903694 19-Apr-2022 10:07
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elpenguino:

 

 

 

Anyone else been out and about?

 

 

 

 

 

 

I got out to Woodhill for the first time in a few weeks (also went to Fourforty  a couple of weeks ago). Nice to get out. 

 

I blew/burnt my brakes out at Fourforty, so have just spent $400 on getting some new brakes fitted and new Ice Tech rotors. 

 

Woodhill has changed a little - they seem to be spending a bit more time on grooming and improving trails these days. Some of the more rutted trails have been nicely updates and berms put in - plust they've added a bunch of new trails, too. 

 

One new trail is only 100m long, but is super popular: Chicken Run. It's a jump trail for all levels - all tables and rollable jumps. Easy to get to and easy to ride. Great to learn on. 

 

Glad we got out while the weather was still nice. It really turned on Sunday arvo. 

 





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  #2903725 19-Apr-2022 11:12
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Handsomedan:

 

I got out to Woodhill for the first time in a few weeks (also went to Fourforty  a couple of weeks ago). Nice to get out. 

 

I blew/burnt my brakes out at Fourforty, so have just spent $400 on getting some new brakes fitted and new Ice Tech rotors. 

 

 

Sheesh what did you do to your old brakes? Most modern brakes will take whatever you can throw at them short of dragging them down a whole ski field. 


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  #2903731 19-Apr-2022 11:17
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elpenguino:

 

Technofreak:

 

What bike racks are people on here using?

 

 

https://www.torpedo7.co.nz/products/T7CATN9M3/title/4-bike-rack-mk3

 

These were on special last year for not much over $100. Actually pretty solid steel construction and at that price = a good deal.

 

My workmate told me he uses square rubbery floor tiles between each bike to avoid rubbing etc. Make a round hole and push one on each prong after each bike.

 

https://www.thewarehouse.co.nz/p/eva-interlocking-mat-4-pack-62cm-x-62cm-x-0.8cm-black/R2455295.html?gclsrc=aw.ds&ds_rl=1268368&ds_rl=1268368&gclid=Cj0KCQjwmPSSBhCNARIsAH3cYgZVeaa8aLXiQiT-_c4vmUb5RE4QbbzuWOeGMnry-MC1Qgl-0YSLOwAaAl2CEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

 

 

 

 

This is what we have now but am looking for something better.

 

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