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  #2381056 24-Dec-2019 18:08
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sbiddle:

 

What is concerning is *every* other aircraft out there that hasn't had the same level of scrutiny that the MAX has now had, and since the 2 MAX crashes the number of flight control changes that have been made by both Airbus and Boeing on other aircraft.

 

 

I really don't think it takes two fatal accidents to return to a normal level of safety that other airplanes already have. The incident shows clearly what happens, when business decisions overrule technical development needs/time. You need 20 years to get trusted and 5 minutes to ruin it. 

 

 





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  #2381099 24-Dec-2019 21:37
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sbiddle:

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I still think the fact that the MCAS system was designed the way it was, and that there was no serious training of the pilots on the MAX shows how deeply flawed this whole project was.


Would not shed a tear if this breaks Boeing and the Max never fly again.



I'm the exact opposite. I would happily fly on a MAX tomorrow if they were flying.


What is concerning is *every* other aircraft out there that hasn't had the same level of scrutiny that the MAX has now had, and since the 2 MAX crashes the number of flight control changes that have been made by both Airbus and Boeing on other aircraft.


 


 


They bolted oversized modern engines onto an ancient airframe. Oops, they don't play nicely, we'll build an app for that. You can have all the scrutiny in the world, after which you're still got a pig with lipstick. Pass, I'm flying Airbus.

 
 
 
 


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  #2381166 25-Dec-2019 08:31
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dafman:

 

They bolted oversized modern engines onto an ancient airframe. Oops, they don't play nicely, we'll build an app for that. You can have all the scrutiny in the world, after which you're still got a pig with lipstick. Pass, I'm flying Airbus.

 

Would you even fly a 321neo with it's excessive pitch up issue that was discovered as a direct result of Airbus engineers running tests after the MAX crash?

 

https://www.mro-network.com/maintenance-repair-overhaul/airbus-easa-flag-a321neo-pitch-anomaly

 

The Airbus vs Boeing debate has already been thrashed out in this thread. Airbus have had plenty of flight control issues themselves over the years and the simplistic view that the MAX is dangerous and an Airbus is not is simply not true.

 

What is scary is that a simple damaged or iced up sensor can cause catastrophic crashes, and the Air NZ A320 crash and Air France A330 crash are both proof of this along with the MAX crashes.

 

 

 

 


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  #2381172 25-Dec-2019 08:57
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sbiddle:

 

dafman:

 

They bolted oversized modern engines onto an ancient airframe. Oops, they don't play nicely, we'll build an app for that. You can have all the scrutiny in the world, after which you're still got a pig with lipstick. Pass, I'm flying Airbus.

 

Would you even fly a 321neo with it's excessive pitch up issue that was discovered as a direct result of Airbus engineers running tests after the MAX crash?

 

https://www.mro-network.com/maintenance-repair-overhaul/airbus-easa-flag-a321neo-pitch-anomaly

 

The Airbus vs Boeing debate has already been thrashed out in this thread. Airbus have had plenty of flight control issues themselves over the years and the simplistic view that the MAX is dangerous and an Airbus is not is simply not true.

 

What is scary is that a simple damaged or iced up sensor can cause catastrophic crashes, and the Air NZ A320 crash and Air France A330 crash are both proof of this along with the MAX crashes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well said Steve.





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  #2390258 11-Jan-2020 14:28
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The rewards of failure -

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jan/10/boeing-dennis-muilenburg-60m-stock-pension

 

Not there's anything new about useless CEO's and their obscene rewards.





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