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#1073427 24-Jun-2014 13:42

crackrdbycracku:

We had Webstock in Wellington. Some of the most amazing speakers in the world turned up in person to share their experiences with us, I think at least one was an astronaut.

Webstock was not particularly memorable this year. I've forgotten most of the presenters already. Nelly Ben Hayoun isn't an astronaut.

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#1073453 24-Jun-2014 14:16

I'm not really sure what you are saying.

My point was that the mainstream media are distracted by things such as the Internet Party which diverts attention from things of more substance and significance. There is plenty of blame to go around but part of the blame rests with the Internet Party itself existing rather than those in it doing something useful with their time like picking up rubbish. I seriously think if Kim Dot Com spent an hour picking up rubbish tomorrow he would have contributed more to New Zealand than he has so far.

Matt Mullenweg was in Wellington last week, he rocked, and if there was mainstream media coverage I missed it. A businessman may or may not have made a donation to a political party and it is all over the place.

Didn't anybody tell you I was a hacker?

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#1073457 24-Jun-2014 14:26

Solaybro: What's your opinion on the Internet Party?

At 74% the previous election had the lowest voter turnout since 1887. To me that is a very serious issue. If the Internet-Mana party is able to raise the level of engagement and reach non-voters as they claim then I see that as a good thing for the future.

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#1073486 24-Jun-2014 15:01

does anyone really think this multi-millionaire convicted criminal would be donating $3.25M to his Internet Party if he wasn't facing extradition

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#1073487 24-Jun-2014 15:02

crackrdbycracku: I'm not really sure what you are saying.

My point was that the mainstream media are distracted by things such as the Internet Party which diverts attention from things of more substance and significance. There is plenty of blame to go around but part of the blame rests with the Internet Party itself existing rather than those in it doing something useful with their time like picking up rubbish. I seriously think if Kim Dot Com spent an hour picking up rubbish tomorrow he would have contributed more to New Zealand than he has so far.

Matt Mullenweg was in Wellington last week, he rocked, and if there was mainstream media coverage I missed it. A businessman may or may not have made a donation to a political party and it is all over the place.

How is Webstock mainstream? It's a niche design conference, in a niche industry. Most "web" people have little or no understanding of or involvement in the wider ICT or knowledge industries. There's as much reason for mainstream media to report on it as there is for them to report on DSE getting its techspurts together for a conference.

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#1073490 24-Jun-2014 15:03

nathan: does anyone really think this multi-millionaire convicted criminal would be donating $3.25M to his Internet Party if he wasn't facing extradition

Well he may wish to burn money so the media companies can't get it.

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#1073499 24-Jun-2014 15:11

nathan: does anyone really think this multi-millionaire convicted criminal would be donating $3.25M to his Internet Party if he wasn't facing extradition

A narcissist with a lot of money and trying to avoid the ferry man so no, if he was not in a pile of doggy do I doubt if he would even be here.

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#1073502 24-Jun-2014 15:18

the most hilarious thing is Internet Party leader Laila Harre defending Dotcom’s $3.25m donation to the Internet Party, saying the German tycoon was "giving a gift to progressive politics"

who in their right mind thinks a multi-millionaire, convicted criminal who donated to John Banks, and who faced claims from staff he didn’t even pay minimum wage, believes in progressive politics and taxing the rich more.

A marriage of convenience...

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#1073506 24-Jun-2014 15:21

nathan: the most hilarious thing is Internet Party leader Laila Harre defending Dotcom’s $3.25m donation to the Internet Party, saying the German tycoon was "giving a gift to progressive politics"

I think the irony there is that is said by a politician who believes in 1950s style trade unionism.

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#1073526 24-Jun-2014 15:50

"History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once they have exhausted all other alternatives. " I guess that will be after this election or the next, or the next.....

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#1073531 24-Jun-2014 15:56

crackrdbycracku:.... A businessman may or may not have made a donation to a political party and it is all over the place.

Yes, who cares!? I think all donations above say $100 total in one year should be declared public -ie pretty much just declare them all to be safe, then we wouldn't have to worry about all this.

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#1073595 24-Jun-2014 17:41

nathan: does anyone really think this multi-millionaire convicted criminal would be donating $3.25M to his Internet Party if he wasn't facing extradition

Why isnt he allowed to put money into a party he started? He also put 600k into a fireworks display in Auckland a few years ago, Last years Rythem and vines fireworks, Also put money into christchurch earthquake and 50k or something in to christchurch earthquake appeal

As for convictions:

When applying for residency, Dotcom openly stated he had convictions from his teens and 20s for insider trading and computer hacking. The convictions no longer exist - they were wiped from Germany's system under a similar law to our "clean slate" legislation.

The trial about megaupload and piracy is still ongoing

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#1073598 24-Jun-2014 17:45

Yabanize:
nathan: does anyone really think this multi-millionaire convicted criminal would be donating $3.25M to his Internet Party if he wasn't facing extradition

Why isnt he allowed to put money into a party he started? He also put 600k into a fireworks display in Auckland a few years ago, Last years Rythem and vines fireworks, Also put money into christchurch earthquake and 50k or something in to christchurch earthquake appeal

As for convictions: When applying for residency, Dotcom openly stated he had convictions from his teens and 20s for insider trading and computer hacking. The convictions no longer exist - they were wiped from Germany's system under a similar law to our "clean slate" legislation.

The trial about megaupload and piracy is still ongoing

you've got to ask yourself the question, why is he buying those shiny fireworks?

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#1073599 24-Jun-2014 17:46

Yabanize:
nathan: does anyone really think this multi-millionaire convicted criminal would be donating $3.25M to his Internet Party if he wasn't facing extradition

Why isnt he allowed to put money into a party he started? He also put 600k into a fireworks display in Auckland a few years ago, Last years Rythem and vines fireworks, Also put money into christchurch earthquake and 50k or something in to christchurch earthquake appeal

As for convictions: When applying for residency, Dotcom openly stated he had convictions from his teens and 20s for insider trading and computer hacking. The convictions no longer exist - they were wiped from Germany's system under a similar law to our "clean slate" legislation.

The trial about megaupload and piracy is still ongoing

Being cleansed does not mean they never happened.

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#1073605 24-Jun-2014 17:59

KiwiNZ:
Yabanize:
nathan: does anyone really think this multi-millionaire convicted criminal would be donating $3.25M to his Internet Party if he wasn't facing extradition

Why isnt he allowed to put money into a party he started? He also put 600k into a fireworks display in Auckland a few years ago, Last years Rythem and vines fireworks, Also put money into christchurch earthquake and 50k or something in to christchurch earthquake appeal

As for convictions: When applying for residency, Dotcom openly stated he had convictions from his teens and 20s for insider trading and computer hacking. The convictions no longer exist - they were wiped from Germany's system under a similar law to our "clean slate" legislation.

The trial about megaupload and piracy is still ongoing

Being cleansed does not mean they never happened.

Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniac were criminals in their past also...

Now. About the Insider trading:

From http://www.3news.co.nz/At-A-Glance-Is-Kim-Dotcom-a-criminal/tabid/1607/articleID/349309/Default.aspx

It was a failing retail site LetsBuyIt.com which led to Dotcom's next brush with the law. Dotcom bought €375,000 of shares in the site in 2001, and announced he'd be putting in another €50 million, pushing up the share price.

He then sold out, making an estimated €1.5 million in profit – but was charged with insider trading.

Dotcom fled to Asia, where he was arrested in Thailand and deported home. After spending five months in jail, he again received a suspended sentence, and went back to Asia – this time Hong Kong.

In 2011 Dotcom said the insider trading charges were a "joke", and he had in fact saved more than 100 jobs.

He portrays himself as a "scapegoat" for the bursting of the dotcom-bubble, and says he was offered a plea bargain and took it.

"Since when is the person that saves a company, pays the company money in exchange for shares and buys additional shares (for the same price) on the open market an insider trader?" he told Torrentfreak.

"I took the deal and moved on with my life instead of spending the next few years in court rooms defending my innocence. You can't imagine the rape party the German media had with me."

Insider trading was not a crime in Germany until the mid-1990s, and it's been suggested Dotcom may not have been aware of the law in 2001.

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