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  # 1673031 17-Nov-2016 18:05
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I thought this was a good article explaining his appeal- What So Many People Don’t Get About the U.S. Working Class
Joan C. Williams
Link: https://hbr.org/2016/11/what-so-many-people-dont-get-about-the-u-s-working-class

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  # 1673037 17-Nov-2016 18:19
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Well yeah..

 

 

“There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”

 

 

(Warren Buffett)


 
 
 
 


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  # 1673055 17-Nov-2016 18:35
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I thought it explained Tamaki's followers pretty well too.

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  # 1673121 17-Nov-2016 20:41
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JayADee: I thought it explained Tamaki's followers pretty well too.

 

If Tamaki and his followers are all going to heaven, and Trump and his followers are all going to hell, is there a third option?




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  # 1673127 17-Nov-2016 20:50
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Let's be fair to the man and wait a year or two before we see how far down the toilet the world is by then. tongue-out


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  # 1673129 17-Nov-2016 20:54
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JayADee: I thought this was a good article explaining his appeal- What So Many People Don’t Get About the U.S. Working Class
Joan C. Williams
Link: https://hbr.org/2016/11/what-so-many-people-dont-get-about-the-u-s-working-class

 

 

 

Some awesome quotes in there explain Brexit sentiments too:

 

 

 

Understand Working-Class Resentment of the Poor

 

Remember when President Obama sold Obamacare by pointing out that it delivered health care to 20 million people? Just another program that taxed the middle class to help the poor, said the WWC, and in some cases that’s proved true: The poor got health insurance while some Americans just a notch richer saw their premiums rise.

 

Progressives have lavished attention on the poor for over a century. That (combined with other factors) led to social programs targeting them. Means-tested programs that help the poor but exclude the middle may keep costs and tax rates lower, but they are a recipe for class conflict.

 

Example: 28.3% of poor families receive child-care subsidies, which are largely nonexistent for the middle class. So my sister-in-law worked full-time for Head Start, providing free child care for poor women while earning so little that she almost couldn’t pay for her own. She resented this, especially the fact that some of the kids’ moms did not work. One arrived late one day to pick up her child, carrying shopping bags from Macy’s. My sister-in-law was livid.

 

Both parties have supported free-trade deals because of the net positive GDP gains, overlooking the blue-collar workers who lost work as jobs left for Mexico or Vietnam. These are precisely the voters in the crucial swing states of Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania that Democrats have so long ignored. Excuse me. Who’s stupid?

 

Class conflict now closely tracks the urban-rural divide

 

(Same as Brexit Urban/Rural split)

 

 

 

Avoid the Temptation to Write Off Blue-Collar Resentment as Racism

 

Economic resentment has fueled racial anxiety that, in some Trump supporters (and Trump himself), bleeds into open racism. But to write off WWC anger as nothing more than racism is intellectual comfort food, and it is dangerous.

 

*edit - messed up the quote/link BBCode :(


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  # 1673218 17-Nov-2016 22:58
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Fred99:

JayADee: I thought it explained Tamaki's followers pretty well too.


If Tamaki and his followers are all going to heaven, and Trump and his followers are all going to hell, is there a third option?



Left behind? 😆

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_Behind_(2014_film)

 
 
 
 


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  # 1673269 18-Nov-2016 03:55
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Rikkitic:

 

Anyone who thinks Trump is just misunderstood should see the CNN interview with Megyn Kelly.

 

 

 

 

On the Clinton News Network is it? That's hardly an unbiased source... 

 

 


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  # 1673271 18-Nov-2016 05:20
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MaxLV:

Rikkitic:


Anyone who thinks Trump is just misunderstood should see the CNN interview with Megyn Kelly.


 



On the Clinton News Network is it? That's hardly an unbiased source... 


 


I haven't seen the interview. I think it is unlikely that CNN would fake an interview with Megyn Kelly if that is what you are suggesting.

I googled it. It's interesting because it covers the period leading up to Trump's 'blood coming out of her' comments after the first Republican candidates debate. It appears there was a lot of bullying directly from the Trump team aimed at Kelly leading up to that debate.

Kelly still works for Fox News I believe. Do you have a problem with Megyn Kelly or maybe think Cooper should not have asked about those sections of her autobiography?

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  # 1673288 18-Nov-2016 07:09
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Trump is meeting Japan PM today. Here is what I think.

 

It will be a good meeting from both sides, as off course its international news, transparency, it has to be as these nations are friends. Trump will do what he did in the election, spout words with no substance. Japan PM will act engaged, but in his mind, it will be, "this is a leader of the US???" Trump will be given topics to discuss, what to say, what not to say. Admittedly, this is what happens in real life, they have many advisors, but in this case, its really hand holding. Not necessarily a bad thing, as the leader has to lead, with guidance from his advisors and the party, its more about engagement of the people, and the world. The interesting time will be re Russia and its involvement with Syria, and other edge of the seat topics. 


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  # 1673297 18-Nov-2016 07:26
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MikeB4:

 

Rikkitic:

 

 

 

What people keep pointing out about Hitler is that he stole the democratic process. It has also happened elsewhere. who is to say it couldn't be happening in this case?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Circumstances are different, the USA is not experiencing hyper -inflation, high unemployment, loss of territory, essentially bankrupt owing massive war reparations. The circumstances in 1930's Germany were way different

 

to the USA of now.  

 

 

You are absolutely correct, yet the American people seem to feel just as agreived as the Germans of the 30's.

 

I am not sure why America needs to be made Great again, from outside of the fish bowl it looks pretty darn good, but that is my impression. Donald has managed to get enough people believe that America is a third world country through this election to be worried.


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  # 1673312 18-Nov-2016 07:45
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PhantomNVD:

 

JayADee: I thought this was a good article explaining his appeal- What So Many People Don’t Get About the U.S. Working Class
Joan C. Williams
Link: https://hbr.org/2016/11/what-so-many-people-dont-get-about-the-u-s-working-class

 

 

 

Some awesome quotes in there explain Brexit sentiments too:

 

 

 

Understand Working-Class Resentment of the Poor

 

Remember when President Obama sold Obamacare by pointing out that it delivered health care to 20 million people? Just another program that taxed the middle class to help the poor, said the WWC, and in some cases that’s proved true: The poor got health insurance while some Americans just a notch richer saw their premiums rise.

 

Progressives have lavished attention on the poor for over a century. That (combined with other factors) led to social programs targeting them. Means-tested programs that help the poor but exclude the middle may keep costs and tax rates lower, but they are a recipe for class conflict.

 

Example: 28.3% of poor families receive child-care subsidies, which are largely nonexistent for the middle class. So my sister-in-law worked full-time for Head Start, providing free child care for poor women while earning so little that she almost couldn’t pay for her own. She resented this, especially the fact that some of the kids’ moms did not work. One arrived late one day to pick up her child, carrying shopping bags from Macy’s. My sister-in-law was livid.

 

Both parties have supported free-trade deals because of the net positive GDP gains, overlooking the blue-collar workers who lost work as jobs left for Mexico or Vietnam. These are precisely the voters in the crucial swing states of Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania that Democrats have so long ignored. Excuse me. Who’s stupid?

 

Class conflict now closely tracks the urban-rural divide

 

(Same as Brexit Urban/Rural split)

 

 

 

Avoid the Temptation to Write Off Blue-Collar Resentment as Racism

 

Economic resentment has fueled racial anxiety that, in some Trump supporters (and Trump himself), bleeds into open racism. But to write off WWC anger as nothing more than racism is intellectual comfort food, and it is dangerous.

 

*edit - messed up the quote/link BBCode :(

 

 

So the middle class are left to prop up the rich and the poor.

 

No wonder I feel so aggrieved!


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  # 1673318 18-Nov-2016 07:50
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BTW I am white middle class, I should be all over Trump like white on rice, however I understand where this leads as we have history to guide us, this is why I am worried.

 

I also understand there is no free lunch, building takes resources, not money. Money can be made infinitely the resources and building materials not so much.


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  # 1673326 18-Nov-2016 08:01
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dickytim:

BTW I am white middle class, I should be all over Trump like white on rice, however I understand where this leads as we have history to guide us, this is why I am worried.


I also understand there is no free lunch, building takes resources, not money. Money can be made infinitely the resources and building materials not so much.



You are probably upper middle enough to still feel insulated and comfortable. Thing is, the negative changes have been happening from the bottom up, so the poorest feel it first, the middle classes have been eroding for some time...

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  # 1673331 18-Nov-2016 08:12
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MaxLV:

 

Rikkitic:

 

Anyone who thinks Trump is just misunderstood should see the CNN interview with Megyn Kelly.

 

 

On the Clinton News Network is it? That's hardly an unbiased source... 

 

 

Your feeble attempt at sarcasm failed because Megyn Kelly works for Fox, surprisingly.





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