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  # 1701329 11-Jan-2017 11:44
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That is how I have always seen it. They are only 300 million people, thats not a whole lot in consumption needs. They will find that making in America is costly, the public will pay for that with their wallets. Importing will be costly as the US will be a low favoured market, given that us other countries will be tariffed or lose exports to the US. The globe will find a way, to produce goods without US involvement, and to export without US involvement. Its happening now. Ford pulled out of a 1.6 billion deal with Mexico, Mexico is seeking trade partnerships elsewhere, its all happening. 

 

Long term the world will be better off as the US will have less pull. Us other countries will be sorted out, amongst ourselves. China will dominate finance and trade, India will get a nice boost and be more involved in world trade. 2nd world countries probably ride the wave. A bit to like actually. Time to rejuvenate world trade and with that, relations. 

 

 

 

 

Our future lays with China, let the US do what ever they do and we should get on with building prosperity with Beijing.

 

 

 

 

Our future lies with trade regardless of Country...whilst China is valuable as a partner they are not reliable and NZ cannot afford to have all its eggs in the one basket. Most trade is still completed in US dollars.


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  # 1701335 11-Jan-2017 12:10
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Are Americans less worried in general, sure they are, otherwise he wouldn't have been elected?

 

 

That's in complete denial of the growing partisan division in US society.

 

Also, they are indeed much more "worried" on average than here -  that they're going to lose their jobs to Chinese or Mexicans, that domestic terrorism is a huge threat, that the ACA would result in forced euthanasia, that they need guns to protect themselves, that their president was a secret muslim, that a presidential candidate was involved in secret satanic rituals, that responsible global environmental management is a plot against their economy, that they're being invaded by Mexican "rapists" and need a wall.

 

Of course many in the US are worried about the impact of the Trump presidency on liberty and human rights, probably justifiably so as history shows us what happens when leaders are elected on the back of campaigns promoting worry and fear.

 

NZ is a relatively sane and rational society. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is growing divide everywhere, there is very unlikely to be a vote held in NZ again for the foreseeable future that will be a landslide and so all (legal democratic) elections pretty much everywhere will be pretty close (Brexit, US Election etc). 

 

The world is divided today more than I can ever recall it in my lifetime. This isn't just in the US, but everywhere I can think of. Australias election was crazy, took them quite a while to form a govt.

 

People are much more inclined to express their opinion than ever before. The internet has made every person with an Internet connection, a 'reporter' and allows them a voice much larger than that of their own. Anonymity has allowed people who would normally never speak up, a voice, which is being heard for the first time. Once people get a taste of that, they want it more and more. On the plus side, it's much harder to hide bad behaviour.

 

 

 

I agree that Trump isn't particularly 'presidential', but in the fairly large group of US people I deal with every day in many parts of my life, this is what they wanted. They were tired of the old regime. I suspect there are still a number of Americans who voted Trump who will never admit it, but I know a number who railed against Trump pre-election and voted for him anyway, for the reasons stated above. They are sending a clear message to their leaders they want change at any price. If this wasn't true, then Trump would not have been elected.  Even the popular vote was not a landslide to either candidate.

 

I am still amazed that Trump has time to watch the awards ceremony. I'd imagine he would have more important things to worry about. 

 

You may be right in (some) of your criticism of him, I don't disagree with all of it, however, in my mind you are still clearly trying to rationalize the decision to elect him, through the eyes of a Kiwi, and are probably incapable of understanding the American cultural and general lifestyles that lead to the choices they make. For that you would need to live there or spend a LOT of time there. 

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  # 1701353 11-Jan-2017 12:52
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Meh trump rules by tweet. All the government decisions can be made with 140 characters. Now, the awards ceremony, those are the important bits.




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  # 1701358 11-Jan-2017 12:57
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What many Kiwis may not fully appreciate is just how pig-ignorant the average American is, especially about anything outside America. Even a presumably educated man like Ben Carson, a surgeon for christsake, had no idea about what was going on in the Middle East, and may not have even known that a Middle East existed. This based on his answers to questions during the primary debates. Then of course we have the Libertarian candidate, who had never even heard of Aleppo.

 

I think many people here get a false impression of the knowledge level of the average American from the international media, where the 'best and brightest' tend to be over-represented. Most Americans, even with a so-called 'college degree', are frankly stupid. I know this from long personal experience so don't start claiming I don't know anything about the country. Domestic media there do not inform people, they just reaffirm comfortable prejudices. Of course  there are many exceptional Americans, many genuinely bright people in the sciences and arts, in business, and even in politics. But you won't find many of them in the average shopping mall or holiday park. There are 300 million or so Americans and most of them are simply dumb. Most are also the nicest people in the world, but they don't know crap about anything. They don't know history, they don't know politics, they don't know a thing about how the world works, or even their own country. They are kept dumb by their media and most revel in it. If you don't believe this, just look at the comments sections of any social media sites dealing with anything other than cooking, yoga or New Age mysticism.

 

     





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  # 1701371 11-Jan-2017 13:06
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What many Kiwis may not fully appreciate is just how pig-ignorant the average American is, especially about anything outside America. Even a presumably educated man like Ben Carson, a surgeon for christsake, had no idea about what was going on in the Middle East, and may not have even known that a Middle East existed. This based on his answers to questions during the primary debates. Then of course we have the Libertarian candidate, who had never even heard of Aleppo.

 

I think many people here get a false impression of the knowledge level of the average American from the international media, where the 'best and brightest' tend to be over-represented. Most Americans, even with a so-called 'college degree', are frankly stupid. I know this from long personal experience so don't start claiming I don't know anything about the country. Domestic media there do not inform people, they just reaffirm comfortable prejudices. Of course  there are many exceptional Americans, many genuinely bright people in the sciences and arts, in business, and even in politics. But you won't find many of them in the average shopping mall or holiday park. There are 300 million or so Americans and most of them are simply dumb. Most are also the nicest people in the world, but they don't know crap about anything. They don't know history, they don't know politics, they don't know a thing about how the world works, or even their own country. They are kept dumb by their media and most revel in it. If you don't believe this, just look at the comments sections of any social media sites dealing with anything other than cooking, yoga or New Age mysticism.

 

     

 

 

 

 

Sounds like something Trump would write, at least you took more than 140 characters to insult 300M people!

 

I guess I'd agree that the average American probably knows less about the "world" in general, but I would vehemently disagree that the majority are stupid or dumb. What a horrific thing to write. 

 

 


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  # 1701395 11-Jan-2017 14:02
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mattwnz: Presidents don't tweet, which is a good thing.

 

 

That's not entirely true, Presidents can and do tweet. But the way Trump uses Twitter is unpresidented. 

 

 

 

 

Although is Obama personally Tweeting? eg John Key also had a twitter account, but I don't think he did much or any tweeting himself. I didn't think Presidents had access to mobile internet devices, although maybe that has changed?


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  # 1701400 11-Jan-2017 14:08
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Although is Obama personally Tweeting? eg John Key also had a twitter account, but I don't think he did much or any tweeting himself. I didn't think Presidents had access to mobile internet devices, although maybe that has changed?

 

 

No idea. It appears to be a one-way PR style stream rather than an avenue for two-way conversation, which is exactly how John Key ran his.

Trump, on the other hand, uses his as a platform for his bullying. I can't imagine this will be allowed when he's POTUS. But then again I thought it would stop when he became PEOTUS.


 
 
 
 


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  # 1701438 11-Jan-2017 14:49
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Also, the Pentagon is changing the nuclear codes to over 140 characters.

 

So Trump can't tweet it


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  # 1701458 11-Jan-2017 15:20
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Also, the Pentagon is changing the nuclear codes to over 140 characters.


So Trump can't tweet it



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  # 1701459 11-Jan-2017 15:20
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Until now ...   undecided

 

 

 

 

I just hope he treats the position with the respect it deserves. I don't think he realizes how much hard work it is. We are going to have years of Trump in the news now, with various parodies.


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  # 1701461 11-Jan-2017 15:39
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What a field day Spitting Images would have had with him.


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  # 1701469 11-Jan-2017 16:03
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Dirt is flying now:

 


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  # 1701475 11-Jan-2017 16:27
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Rikkitic:

 

What many Kiwis may not fully appreciate is just how pig-ignorant the average American is, especially about anything outside America. Even a presumably educated man like Ben Carson, a surgeon for christsake, had no idea about what was going on in the Middle East, and may not have even known that a Middle East existed. This based on his answers to questions during the primary debates. Then of course we have the Libertarian candidate, who had never even heard of Aleppo.

 

I think many people here get a false impression of the knowledge level of the average American from the international media, where the 'best and brightest' tend to be over-represented. Most Americans, even with a so-called 'college degree', are frankly stupid. I know this from long personal experience so don't start claiming I don't know anything about the country. Domestic media there do not inform people, they just reaffirm comfortable prejudices. Of course  there are many exceptional Americans, many genuinely bright people in the sciences and arts, in business, and even in politics. But you won't find many of them in the average shopping mall or holiday park. There are 300 million or so Americans and most of them are simply dumb. Most are also the nicest people in the world, but they don't know crap about anything. They don't know history, they don't know politics, they don't know a thing about how the world works, or even their own country. They are kept dumb by their media and most revel in it. If you don't believe this, just look at the comments sections of any social media sites dealing with anything other than cooking, yoga or New Age mysticism.

 

     

 

 

 

 

Don't make the error of assuming that 'many Kiwis' are not equally ignorant...!






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  # 1701529 11-Jan-2017 17:23
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Fred99:

 

Dirt is flying now:

 

 

It trimmed off all the fun bits!

 

 

 

Twitter is having a field day! :D


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  # 1701563 11-Jan-2017 17:40
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Geektastic:

 

Rikkitic:

 

What many Kiwis may not fully appreciate is just how pig-ignorant the average American is, especially about anything outside America. Even a presumably educated man like Ben Carson, a surgeon for christsake, had no idea about what was going on in the Middle East, and may not have even known that a Middle East existed. This based on his answers to questions during the primary debates. Then of course we have the Libertarian candidate, who had never even heard of Aleppo.

 

I think many people here get a false impression of the knowledge level of the average American from the international media, where the 'best and brightest' tend to be over-represented. Most Americans, even with a so-called 'college degree', are frankly stupid. I know this from long personal experience so don't start claiming I don't know anything about the country. Domestic media there do not inform people, they just reaffirm comfortable prejudices. Of course  there are many exceptional Americans, many genuinely bright people in the sciences and arts, in business, and even in politics. But you won't find many of them in the average shopping mall or holiday park. There are 300 million or so Americans and most of them are simply dumb. Most are also the nicest people in the world, but they don't know crap about anything. They don't know history, they don't know politics, they don't know a thing about how the world works, or even their own country. They are kept dumb by their media and most revel in it. If you don't believe this, just look at the comments sections of any social media sites dealing with anything other than cooking, yoga or New Age mysticism.

 

     

 

 

 

 

Don't make the error of assuming that 'many Kiwis' are not equally ignorant...!

 

 

 

 

Or as demonstrated above, much worse!

 

 


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