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  # 2291177 6-Aug-2019 20:07
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kingdragonfly: America's Gun Culture Is Melting Down

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With Americans once again crying out for sensible gun control legislation, leaders like Mitch McConnell are standing firmly in the way of changes that could save lives.



It's fairly naive to think one or even several politicians are "standing in the way" of gun control. Remember nearly 40% of gun owners are Democrats.

I can't say it any clearer than "AMERICAN'S LOVE THEIR GUNS". Both sides of the political divide.

Do you really think the US has suddenly reversed decades of resistance to gun control and there are just a few pesky politicians getting in the way?

I fully support the recent law changes here in NZ and can't see any valid reason the average gun owner would need any firearm derived from a MSSA weapon but we are not the US.

What you are seeing at the moment in the US is a lot of political posturing and point scoring despite knowing full well the general populice will be unlikely to support any meaningful gun control laws. Even if you get rid of MSSA style firearms, how many handguns are there in the US? 10's of millions. Ever fired a Glock, pretty easy to empty a 17 round mag in 10 seconds. Change a mag in 3 seconds and you're off again. Not as destructive as a rifle round but still extremely potent at short range.

If you really think the Republicans and/or the NRA are the ones really standing in the way of gun control then you are going to be very disspointed should a Democrat win 2020 and they regain control of the Senate because just like the few years they had with control of everything under Obama NOTHING actually happened.

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BBC News - Does Trump's five-point plan to end gun violence make sense?

 

5 August 2019

 

Two days after the US was shocked by mass shootings in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, the president made his first extended public statement on the attacks. ...

 

Mr Trump's speech made vague references to "great legislation" ... outlining a series of five proposals ...

 

     

  1. Creating tools to detect potential mass shooters online
  2. Ending the 'glorification of violence' in video games
  3. Reforming mental health laws
  4. Enacting red flag laws
  5. Fast-tracking death penalty for terrorists and mass murderers

 

Follow the BBC link for details.





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marmel: It's fairly naive to think one or even several politicians are "standing in the way" of gun control.


It's clear that one politician, Senate Majority Leader and Republican Senator Mitch McConnell is standing in the way of gun control.

From the same video I've already linked to

“Now, there are two bipartisan background check bills that have passed the House, but are being blocked by Senate Majority Leader and this month’s centerfold of ‘Corruption Monthly’: Mitch McConnell,” Colbert joked.

“McConnell’s had the bills since February, but won’t take any action. I’m sure he has his reasons. Like the $1.26 million in NRA contributions he has received,”

Colbert added, as boos for McConnell rained down from the audience. “You can’t put a price on human life, but it doesn’t stop Mitch from trying.”

This was published this week.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/us/politics/mitch-mcconnell-guns.html

One Man Could Decide Washington’s Response to Gun Violence: Mitch McConnell

NY Times

For two decades, through Columbine, Virginia Tech, Newtown, Orlando, Las Vegas and the rest, mass shootings have provoked only scant action in Congress. Now, after horrific back-to-back massacres this weekend, people in both parties agree that one man could change that: Senator Mitch McConnell.

As President Trump urged national unity in the face of “racist hate” without endorsing broad gun control measures, Democrats and a handful of Republicans called on Monday for Mr. McConnell, the majority leader, to bring up legislation to require gun buyers — including those on the internet and at gun shows — to go through background checks.

Mr. McConnell, nursing a fractured shoulder from a weekend fall at home in Kentucky, made no commitments. After consulting with advisers and fellow Republicans, he issued a statement Monday evening saying that he had asked three top committee chairmen “to engage in bipartisan discussions” about how to address gun violence “without infringing on Americans’ constitutional rights.”

“Senate Republicans are prepared to do our part,” he said.

But just what “our part” is, was unclear. One of Mr. McConnell’s longtime advisers, J. Scott Jennings, said Monday that Mr. McConnell was positioned to lead a process in Congress that could “achieve a solution that, at a minimum, comforts the nation.”

“People want something to happen,” he said. “I don’t think people want mass confiscation of guns, but they do want something to show responsiveness.”

With Congress in recess, Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senator Chuck Schumer, the Democratic leader, demanded that Mr. McConnell bring back the Senate — something he is highly unlikely to do — to consider a House background checks bill, which passed in February.

While some House Democrats want Ms. Pelosi to call back the House to consider additional legislation, such as an assault weapons ban, Democratic leaders want to keep the pressure on Mr. Trump and Mr. McConnell. After a conference call with House Democrats on Monday, Ms. Pelosi sent them a “Dear Colleague” letter saying two committees would hold hearings on domestic terrorism and gun violence.

“The president and Mitch McConnell have to feel the public sentiment on this,” Ms. Pelosi told Democrats during the call, according to an aide. “We have a golden opportunity to save lives.”

In the Senate, some of Mr. McConnell’s Republican colleagues were speaking up.

Senator Susan Collins of Maine, who faces a tough re-election race next year if she runs again, said she had “long supported closing loopholes in background checks.”

Senator Mike Braun, a freshman from Indiana, said any bipartisan legislation to address gun violence must include stronger background checks and “red flag” laws, which were cited by Mr. Trump and would allow the temporary confiscation of firearms from people deemed a danger to themselves or others.

Senator Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, one of the committee chairmen called into action by the majority leader, vowed, “I am ready to do more, especially on background checks, to identify those who shouldn’t have guns.”

And Senator Patrick J. Toomey of Pennsylvania convened a conference call with reporters to announce that he was reviving his background check measure, which failed in the Senate in 2013. He said he spoke Monday morning to Mr. Trump, who expressed “a very constructive willingness to engage on this issue,” and also to Mr. McConnell, whose comments he would not characterize.

“My view is, if we have enough support in the Senate, then we ought to have a vote, and I intend to do everything I can to persuade Senator McConnell if that’s necessary,” he said. “It’s important to me that we get that vote.”

At 77, Mr. McConnell, who is running for re-election in 2020, has cast himself as the “grim reaper” for liberal legislation. Ms. Pelosi and Mr. Schumer have repeatedly called the Senate a “legislative graveyard,” and around the country, Mr. McConnell has become a target for liberals — as reviled by the left as Ms. Pelosi is on the right.

On Monday, he was being pilloried on social media with the hashtag #MassacreMitch — a twist on #MoscowMitch, the moniker that critics used to assail him for blocking election security legislation.

His campaign came under attack on two fronts. Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Democrat of New York, demanded an explanation for a photograph that appeared on Twitter of young men wearing “Team Mitch” T-shirts appearing to choke a life-size cardboard cutout of her.

And Amy McGrath, Mr. McConnell’s likely Democratic opponent, complained that the campaign had tweeted a photograph of a mock graveyard depicting tombstones with her name and the name of Merrick B. Garland, whose Supreme Court nomination Mr. McConnell blocked.

The McConnell campaign said it did not produce the gravestones, which were photographed at Fancy Farm, a Kentucky political picnic, as a spoof of a newspaper cartoon that Ms. McGrath herself had circulated. But Ms. McGrath upbraided the campaign for “nasty and personal” attacks — a message that was picked up by Gabrielle Giffords, the former congresswoman who was grievously wounded in a mass shooting in Tucson in 2011, and is now an advocate for gun safety laws.

“I am appalled that in this divisive political climate — a climate where gun violence fueled by hate is on the rise — Mitch McConnell is joking about the death of his current and former opponents and a federal judge,” Ms. Giffords said in a statement. “The nation is turning to Leader McConnell right now for leadership, and this is the furthest thing from it.”

Gun violence — and how to address it — has been one of the most intractable and divisive issues in Washington; the last time the lawmakers voted to restrict gun ownership was 1994, when Congress passed an assault weapons ban.

Even gun control advocates acknowledge that this weekend’s mass shootings in Texas and Ohio are unlikely to produce quick congressional action. Still, some Republican strategists say they sense a shift in sentiment in their party.

“There clearly seems to be a consensus developing on both sides of the aisle for universal mandatory background checks,” said Whit Ayres, a Republican strategist. “And the door may be opening a bit more for a ban on military-style assault weapons and magazines.”

With the National Rifle Association, the nation’s most powerful gun lobby, in disarray amid a string of lawsuits and internal upheaval, some Republicans who favor tightening gun laws say now is the time to act.

But Mr. McConnell, who wants to maintain the Republican majority in the Senate, is well aware that voters in rural hunting states — including his own — would not look kindly on any restrictions on gun rights. Al Cross, the director of the Institute for Rural Journalism and Community Issues at the University of Kentucky, said Mr. McConnell was unlikely to push for them.

“Six words,” Mr. Cross declared. “We love our guns in Kentucky.”

And Mr. McConnell is unlikely to act without the approval of Mr. Trump, whose own statements on gun violence have been all over the place. In an early morning tweet on Monday, Mr. Trump called for “strong background checks,” but tied them to an immigration law overhaul. In a speech from the White House a few hours later, he did not mention background checks, but instead called for red flag laws.

Conservatives quickly seized on the idea. Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina and a close ally of Mr. Trump, said after the speech that he and Senator Richard Blumenthal, Democrat of Connecticut, had agreed on a plan to use federal grants to help states enact red flag laws. He said he had spoken with the president about the proposal, “and he seems very supportive.”

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  # 2291360 7-Aug-2019 08:22
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And what is the one certainty every Democrat knew about these Bill's?? They would never become law.

There is 0% chance of these bills ever getting past the senate or Trump but hey it looks good in the press to put them forward anyway.

If the Democrats were serious about gun control they would have done something when they actually had the opportunity AND a realistic pathway to creating new laws but they did nothing. It's easy to jump up and down now knowing full well the status quo is going to win the day.


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  # 2291366 7-Aug-2019 08:34
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The gun control efforts by the Democrats is just Politics 101. Promise everything when you aren't actually able to follow through with it. Deliver nothing when you are in a position to do something and make excuses why. Happens all over the world and on a regular basis in NZ on both sides.

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marmel: The gun control efforts by the Democrats is just Politics 101. Promise everything when you aren't actually able to follow through with it. Deliver nothing when you are in a position to do something and make excuses why. Happens all over the world and on a regular basis in NZ on both sides.


And yet we had a terrorist attack which resulted in stronger gun control laws with wide bi-partisan support enacted within the month.

If the issue is important enough, partisanship can be put aside, and promises will be enacted. If it can't you do not have a functioning political system, which sadly appears to be the case in the USA at the moment (and for the foreseeable future, until they can remove money, blind partisanship, and foreign interference from their political system).


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marmel: The gun control efforts by the Democrats is just Politics 101. Promise everything when you aren't actually able to follow through with it. Deliver nothing when you are in a position to do something and make excuses why. Happens all over the world and on a regular basis in NZ on both sides.

 

You are barking up the wrong tree. Just do a simple Google search. There is widespread support in the USA for increased gun control measures. Republican politicians in the pocket of the gun lobby are blocking this. 

 

 





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  # 2291377 7-Aug-2019 08:51
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marmel: The gun control efforts by the Democrats is just Politics 101. Promise everything when you aren't actually able to follow through with it. Deliver nothing when you are in a position to do something and make excuses why. Happens all over the world and on a regular basis in NZ on both sides.


And yet we had a terrorist attack which resulted in stronger gun control laws with wide bi-partisan support enacted within the month.

If the issue is important enough, partisanship can be put aside, and promises will be enacted. If it can't you do not have a functioning political system, which sadly appears to be the case in the USA at the moment (and for the foreseeable future, until they can remove money, blind partisanship, and foreign interference from their political system).



Agree 100%.

The US have to want gun control, BOTH sides of the political spectrum. Sadly, history tells us this is not the case.

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https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2604

March 6, 2019

Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; 86% Back Democrats' Bill On Gun Background Checks

Support for universal background checks has ranged from 88 to 97 percent in every Quinnipiac University poll since February 2013, in the wake of the Sandy Hook massacre.

The highest level of support, 97% percent, came in a February 20, 2018 survey, six days after the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting.

"The call for universal background checks is now nearly universal. The trend we saw after the horror of Sandy Hook and through subsequent mass shootings has become an unstoppable tide." said Tim Malloy, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.

The U.S. must do more to address gun violence, 73 percent of American voters say. Another 16 percent say the U.S. is doing enough and 5 percent say the U.S. is doing too much.

Voters support stricter gun laws 60 - 35 percent.
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A bill passed by the U.S. House of Representatives requiring background checks for all gun purchases, including at gun shows and online purchases.

U.S. voters
support 86%
against 12 %

Republicans
support 80%
against 17%

Gun owners
support 76%
against 20%

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"requiring background checks for all gun buyers."

US Voters
support 93%
against 6 %

Republicans
support 89%
against 10%

Gun owners

support 87%
against 12%

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  # 2291401 7-Aug-2019 09:40
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This is how a President gets impeached

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A majority of House Democrats now support beginning impeachment proceedings for President Donald Trump. But what does that actually mean? Here is everything you need to know about impeachment.


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A brief history of President Trump addressing mass shootings in America.

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  # 2291413 7-Aug-2019 09:54
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I, too, wish to express my condolences to the victims of the Bowling Green and Toledo massacres, and stress that there were probably good people on both sides.

 

 

 

Ugh, what an awful human being. He doesn't even pretend to care.





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kingdragonfly: A brief history of President Trump addressing mass shootings in America.

 

Spoken like a zombie in a hostage movie.  🙁





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kingdragonfly: This is how a President gets impeached

CNN

A majority of House Democrats now support beginning impeachment proceedings for President Donald Trump. But what does that actually mean? Here is everything you need to know about impeachment.



Once again political posturing, which in the big scheme of things means nothing.

A sitting president has never left office due to impeachment, (Nixon resigned).

Democrats are fully aware even if they can stop arguing amongst themselves and begin impeachment proceedings the Senate will never let it run unless there is a quantum shift in opinion amongst Republicans.

So effectively what you have is a big waste of time but some nice tabloid fodder for the media to feed to the hungry masses.

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