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  # 1683425 6-Dec-2016 19:24
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Fred99:

MikeB4: I can't see a benefit for the Government to call an early election. Hopefully the Honourable Bill English becomes PM and the electorate recognises his skills and continue the success for New Zealand.


 


I agree - and history shows that calling a snap election is a dumb idea.  However, going into an election with an unelected PM as candidate is also political suicide in NZ.


The whole thing just doesn't wash with me - the National Party has been an extremely well-oiled machine for a decade.  Something's up (but what?) - I just don't believe that this hasn't been very well planned in advance.


 



If going to the election with a unelected PM as a candidate is political suicide, is the PM going to have to try and lose so they can retire or mislead the public in the election and win and drop out straight after the election and cause the same issue over again?


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  # 1683427 6-Dec-2016 19:28
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Fred99:

 

MikeB4: I can't see a benefit for the Government to call an early election. Hopefully the Honourable Bill English becomes PM and the electorate recognises his skills and continue the success for New Zealand.

 

 

 

I agree - and history shows that calling a snap election is a dumb idea.  However, going into an election with an unelected PM as candidate is also political suicide in NZ.

 

The whole thing just doesn't wash with me - the National Party has been an extremely well-oiled machine for a decade.  Something's up (but what?) - I just don't believe that this hasn't been very well planned in advance.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Without reaching for my tinfoil hat, I have to say that it does seem a tad odd.

 

As you say, they have been pretty slick over the last decade and it seemed very odd to me that this would be announced out of nowhere rather than at a Conference or something.

 

Still, just because it seems odd to us, does not necessarily mean that there is anything untoward to be unearthed.






 
 
 
 


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  # 1683445 6-Dec-2016 19:47
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I really like Jonathan Coleman he was my local MP I voted for him twice. He is a really good MP. I think he is more center right than Crusher Colins and I was just listening to him speak on the radio. I personally really want him to get the top job. I think he will do well, mix it up and continue to do those things that Key did well. English in my opinion is probably most likely to pick up the job, but if he hasn't learned much then he won't be amazing. He is a good Finance minister and I would most definitely keep him in that job of I were Coleman or Collins and I got the job. I think Judith has a bit of an S show in hell to get it due to her public unpopularity but there are some aspects of her that I admire. I think Andrew little is a twit. I call him twittle. I think Phil Twyford needs to take charge of Labour before it falls apart. If you haven't guessed already I generally vote National or ACT.

 

Edit: I am pretty drunk right now, had a hell of a night with the kids. I wrote this post on my iPhone and it was a nuisance. Edited it on the PC.


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  # 1683448 6-Dec-2016 19:51
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Mr Coleman could be a viable choice and leaving Mr English in the job he is better suited for.




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  # 1683482 6-Dec-2016 20:33
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MikeB4: Mr Coleman could be a viable choice and leaving Mr English in the job he is better suited for.

 

In a stuff public poll today on who should succeed:

 

Bill 37%

 

Judith 4%

 

Coleman 0%

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  # 1683483 6-Dec-2016 20:48
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Fred99:

MikeB4: I can't see a benefit for the Government to call an early election. Hopefully the Honourable Bill English becomes PM and the electorate recognises his skills and continue the success for New Zealand.


 


I agree - and history shows that calling a snap election is a dumb idea.  However, going into an election with an unelected PM as candidate is also political suicide in NZ.


The whole thing just doesn't wash with me - the National Party has been an extremely well-oiled machine for a decade.  Something's up (but what?) - I just don't believe that this hasn't been very well planned in advance.


 



I am prepared to accept that it is what it's stated as being.




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  # 1683519 6-Dec-2016 22:31
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mattwnz:

 

MikeB4:

 

Fred99:

 

Old National party ad, how times change:

 

 

 

 

What is the point of posting this?

 

 

 

 

Probably because it is ironic, considering what is happening now, and what they once campaigned againes, they are now doing.

 

 

 

 

Some related news from the West Island of NZ:

 

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/dick-smith-backs-pauline-hansons-plan-for-one-nation-state-election-blitz/news-story/3a6f5c4f24cb2d37e282e26b74a6f9c0

 

 

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  # 1683552 7-Dec-2016 00:23
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Fred99:

 

Geektastic:

 

Rikkitic:

 

Geektastic:

 

I've been surprised by the number of people who have criticised Mr Key on a very ad hominem basis (not here particularly - in the world at large) and yet when you press them, the core of their argument is distilled into  jealousy over the fact that he has more money than they do.

 

I find this particular chip on the shoulder distasteful as well as stupid. A man who grew up in a single parent family, living in a state house and went on to succeed like Mr Key ought to be a serious role model not an object of jealousy and derision. Resenting the success of others as a way of distracting yourself from your own mediocrity is a bit sad, really.

 

He is living proof that hard work and application will get you far in life.

 

 

Maybe it is the way he made his money. Being a currency speculator doesn't exactly contribute to the human condition.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh no - of course not. They never pay taxes...or employ people....

 

 

 

 

Probably true.

 

 

 

 

No, not true. Even slightly.






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  # 1683570 7-Dec-2016 07:18
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dafman:

 

MikeB4: Mr Coleman could be a viable choice and leaving Mr English in the job he is better suited for.

 

In a stuff public poll today on who should succeed:

 

Bill 37%

 

Judith 4%

 

Coleman 0%

 

 

 

 

The new PM the public most want is an MP I haven't heard of before called Unknown.

 

S/he got 39% in the poll.





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  # 1683572 7-Dec-2016 07:27
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Fred99:

 

However, going into an election with an unelected PM as candidate is also political suicide in NZ.

 

 

The National caucus should have someone elected as leader within a week.  No drawn-out, public, self-gutting required.





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  # 1683581 7-Dec-2016 08:06
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Geektastic:

 

 

 

Without reaching for my tinfoil hat, I have to say that it does seem a tad odd.

 

As you say, they have been pretty slick over the last decade and it seemed very odd to me that this would be announced out of nowhere rather than at a Conference or something.

 

Still, just because it seems odd to us, does not necessarily mean that there is anything untoward to be unearthed.

 

 

The rumours say someone is ill. Who might be ill is an open question. 

1. Daughter Stephie? Recently returned from Europe for Dad's resignation? Or is she struggling in some way and he wants to be there for her?

 

2. Son Max? Same story.....Health issue of some kind, physical or mental? Seems unlikely, but we don't know what we don't know.

 

3. Wife Bronagh? She's at the age were health issues can crop up suddenly - particularly cancer or some kind of mental health issue.

 

4. John Key himself? Diagnosed with something?

 

5. ....or maybe the longer sunny days got him looking out the window and he throught: "Ya know, in two weeks I could be on the beach with my family and just......relax."

 

6. Includes 5 plus any others above.

 

I'm picking at least 5 and possibly 6. 

 

    





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  # 1683583 7-Dec-2016 08:12
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Linuxluver:

 

Geektastic:

 

 

 

Without reaching for my tinfoil hat, I have to say that it does seem a tad odd.

 

As you say, they have been pretty slick over the last decade and it seemed very odd to me that this would be announced out of nowhere rather than at a Conference or something.

 

Still, just because it seems odd to us, does not necessarily mean that there is anything untoward to be unearthed.

 

 

The rumours say someone is ill. Who might be ill is an open question. 

1. Daughter Stephie? Recently returned from Europe for Dad's resignation? Or is she struggling in some way and he wants to be there for her?

 

2. Son Max? Same story.....Health issue of some kind, physical or mental? Seems unlikely, but we don't know what we don't know.

 

3. Wife Bronagh? She's at the age were health issues can crop up suddenly - particularly cancer or some kind of mental health issue.

 

4. John Key himself? Diagnosed with something?

 

5. ....or maybe the longer sunny days got him looking out the window and he throught: "Ya know, in two weeks I could be on the beach with my family and just......relax."

 

6. Includes 5 plus any others above.

 

I'm picking at least 5 and possibly 6. 

 

    

 

 

He doesnt need the money, or has an ego, he's done a good job over a long period. Time to get his life back for himself and his family. Pre Xmas announcement means the shock and awe will be over, its over now. New year, BAU for the new leader. JK is still there till the election, makes a lot of sense. His attitude now is very relaxed, humourous at times. The key, is to give his party a period where by election time, it is normal and settled. Pre Xmas also dilutes the talk talk talk as we all have other things going on soon


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  # 1683584 7-Dec-2016 08:13
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sbiddle:

 

 

 

What's he done to annoy you so deeply?

 

I really like Peter Dunne and he's contributed a lot in his time as an MP. A lot of the work he's done as Minister of Internal Affairs particularly with the new FENZ transformation has been applauded by a lot of people.

 

There are plenty of other MP's who have done absolutely nothing in comparision.

 

Should he have a party? That's another issue entirely. The law says he can, and if you don't like that then maybe you should be complaining about the law, not the day to day workings of the law.

 

 

I like Peter Dunne. He used to be my MP when I lived in Johnsonville and I've met him many times. I lived in Karori when he ran for Labour and beat National party incumbent Hugh Templeton and insurgent NZ Party leader (and funder / owner) Bob Jones in 1984.

 

But I definitely have issues with the single-seat rule in MMP that National has used to rort the system via 'zombie' parties like United Future (sorry - I typed NZ First for some reason - totally wrong) and ACT. Without those two seats from 'other' parties, National wouldn't be in government. Their vote share would see them with two fewer seats overall. Instead they get two freebies via what are now essentially fake parties. ACT was taken over by the National Party when Brash and Banks invaded it and dumped Rodney Hide. These are not ethical people. 

The Royal Commission held after National's attempt to get rid of MMP in 2011 found the vast majority of the public also want the single-seat rule gone...and the threshold reduced to 3%. National ignored that as it suited them to keep rorting MMP.

But Peter Dunne has made a solid contribution over the years. I can't fault him on that.  





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  # 1683585 7-Dec-2016 08:20
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He doesnt need the money, or has an ego, he's done a good job over a long period. Time to get his life back for himself and his family. Pre Xmas announcement means the shock and awe will be over, its over now. New year, BAU for the new leader. JK is still there till the election, makes a lot of sense. His attitude now is very relaxed, humourous at times. The key, is to give his party a period where by election time, it is normal and settled. Pre Xmas also dilutes the talk talk talk as we all have other things going on soon

 

 

Don't agree on the "good job", but otherwise, yeah. 

 

Brad Windust said it all rather well: 

"John Key you did a great job, and credit where credit is due.

 

You sold loads of our public assets mostly overseas as predicted, got rid of our only independent public TV7, gave tax cuts to the rich while putting GST up for the poor, used our money to bail out private finance companies ($1.775 billion), wasted millions trying to change our flag, did nothing about trawlers dumping fish, did nothing about climate change, slashed DOC’s funding, privatised our prisons, grew the gap between rich and poor, tried to allow overseas mining companies into our National Parks, allowed us to become a tax haven, let house prices go through the roof, didn’t make the GCSB transparent, gave millions of our public money to help overseas oil companies to do deep sea oil drilling, didn’t hold anyone accountable for the Pike River disaster, sacked the democratically elected people on the Christchurch Regional Council, pulled a ponytail or two, let our swamp kauri get shipped off with no valued added, invited Chinese Banks in, allowed our rivers to become far more polluted, and left us with an astronomical debt.

I wish you all the best in Hawaii. PS. I may have got some stuff slightly wrong, as I’ve been drinking Champagne all day." 





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  # 1683587 7-Dec-2016 08:34
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Fred99:

mattwnz:


MikeB4:


Fred99:


Old National party ad, how times change:


 



What is the point of posting this?



 


Probably because it is ironic, considering what is happening now, and what they once campaigned againes, they are now doing.



 


Some related news from the West Island of NZ:


http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/dick-smith-backs-pauline-hansons-plan-for-one-nation-state-election-blitz/news-story/3a6f5c4f24cb2d37e282e26b74a6f9c0


 


 



How on earth is that related to Mr Key resigning?




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