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  #2006351 2-May-2018 07:02
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GV27: Downtown Auckland is already chocca with buses coming from Dominion Road and they're effectively strangling the city. You simply can't keep firing buses down Dominion Road because they have to end up somewhere, and it's full. Everyone acknowledges this; the Govt, the Council, even the reports the Nats were receiving were telling them this.


Won't trams just do the same thing given they're essentially just a bus that has to stick to the tracks?

Heavy rail on the other hand, has it's own rail corridor, therefore doesn't impact traffic flow, congestion etc. If bus congestion is a problem trams won't fix that.

 

This is a pretty common misconception about the LRT plans. My understanding is they will operate in their own separate corridor, it will just be in the road space. 

 

Also the trams carry roughly 3x as many people as a bus, so you're eliminating a massive number of buses from the CBD and making it easier for the ones that still need to be in there to move around. Others can be redeployed as shuttles around the areas with LRT to increase catchment. It's kind of a win-win in that regard. 


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  #2006357 2-May-2018 07:26
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GV27:

rjt123:
GV27: Downtown Auckland is already chocca with buses coming from Dominion Road and they're effectively strangling the city. You simply can't keep firing buses down Dominion Road because they have to end up somewhere, and it's full. Everyone acknowledges this; the Govt, the Council, even the reports the Nats were receiving were telling them this.


Won't trams just do the same thing given they're essentially just a bus that has to stick to the tracks?

Heavy rail on the other hand, has it's own rail corridor, therefore doesn't impact traffic flow, congestion etc. If bus congestion is a problem trams won't fix that.


This is a pretty common misconception about the LRT plans. My understanding is they will operate in their own separate corridor, it will just be in the road space. 



Isn't that essentially just a bus lane? Pretty much just reducing road space for cars.?

Also the trams carry roughly 3x as many people as a bus, so you're eliminating a massive number of buses from the CBD and making it easier for the ones that still need to be in there to move around. Others can be redeployed as shuttles around the areas with LRT to increase catchment. It's kind of a win-win in that regard. 



Ok. Good point, but genuine question: are all buses full? i.e. is extra capacity required? Or will the reduced frequency be a problem and reduce uptake by the public?

Also, is the plan still suggesting trams all the way from the airport into the CBD?

 
 
 
 


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  #2006366 2-May-2018 07:48
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Isn't that essentially just a bus lane? Pretty much just reducing road space for cars.?

 

 

With a higher capacity per hour and that also takes vehicles off the road at the other end. There's already bus lanes on Dom Road so this isn't really anything new. 

rjt123:

 

Ok. Good point, but genuine question: are all buses full? i.e. is extra capacity required? Or will the reduced frequency be a problem and reduce uptake by the public?

Also, is the plan still suggesting trams all the way from the airport into the CBD?

 

 

Yes, the buses are full, and route is currently zoned for further intensification. That's where the 'just adding more buses' thing becomes a problem once they hit the CBD. 

 

To the airport, I think so, although the airport - Mt Roskill bit isn't as advanced as the CBD - Mt Roskill part. The LRT proposal was initially for three lines through the central part of Auckland and the airport bit was separate to that. 


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  #2006411 2-May-2018 10:02
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I know that some will discard what is being written here, simply because it's written by this person, but I think that this is a pretty honest and fair article. 

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12043297

 

I'll admit that Hosking is a right-leaning writer and that he can be a bit of a prat from time to time, but I think he has been reasonably fair with this Government. He has been a lot gentler on JA than I would have been.

 

 


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  #2006454 2-May-2018 11:08
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networkn:

 

I know that some will discard what is being written here, simply because it's written by this person, but I think that this is a pretty honest and fair article. 

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12043297

 

I'll admit that Hosking is a right-leaning writer and that he can be a bit of a prat from time to time, but I think he has been reasonably fair with this Government. He has been a lot gentler on JA than I would have been.

 

 

 

 

I will start by saying I really dislike Mr Hosking, so with that out of the way I will say that the article is good if not brief but is a fairly accurate summation of the situation after six months.





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  #2006459 2-May-2018 11:11
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MikeB4:

 

networkn:

 

I know that some will discard what is being written here, simply because it's written by this person, but I think that this is a pretty honest and fair article. 

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12043297

 

I'll admit that Hosking is a right-leaning writer and that he can be a bit of a prat from time to time, but I think he has been reasonably fair with this Government. He has been a lot gentler on JA than I would have been.

 

 

 

 

I will start by saying I really dislike Mr Hosking, so with that out of the way I will say that the article is good if not brief but is a fairly accurate summation of the situation after six months.

 

 

He isn't really one for detail. In some ways that feels appropriate, but I could see some dismissing it because of it. Make no mistake, he knows the detail though.


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  #2006461 2-May-2018 11:13
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Police commissioner issues press release responding to fake Gayford rumors:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12043351

Annoying because I've missed all them. Not enough Facebook time. I gather from the context it was claimed that police were investigating Gayford for something or other repeatedly and the police commissioner went on record saying that was categorically false.

 
 
 
 


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  #2006463 2-May-2018 11:21
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I'm old enough to remember the 'Helen Clark is a lesbian and her husband is gay' campaign.

That had legs - without Facebook or Twitter ; ). At the end of that there was supposed to be a big reveal with private detectives on Campbell and they went on TV with nothing except weird ranting.

Somebody paid for that, at the very least the private detectives part.

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  #2006501 2-May-2018 12:14
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It was certainly a coordinated effort to attack Clark. The rumors where seemingly everywhere, just below the surface. Joked about on radio morning shows. Random people on talkback repeating them etc. Never any thing concrete to it, but remained persistent anyway.


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  #2006503 2-May-2018 12:18
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rjt123:

 

MikeB4:

 

I will be brutally honest here, I think the attitude displayed here regarding sport is snobbery mixed with envy and is total bollocks.  

 

 

Sport in itself is of no value to society other than as entertainment.

 

 

Team sports have significant value to society.  They motivate us to cooperate with others, strive, compete and follow rules.  They are a great equaliser.  Once you are on the field, it doesn't matter who you are or where you come from.

 

The last rugby team I played in (1990s in Dunedin) was a diverse collection of guys and we all got along fabulously.  It really was a fantastic team.  I can't think of anything else that would have brought that group together so closely.  I'm still close mates with a couple of guys I otherwise wouldn't have met.  In a professional capacity I find the easiest people to deal with are usually people who have played team sports. 

 

I also find most successful people I meet have a physical hobby - could be a team sport, biking, cycling, whatever.  I've noticed my own effectiveness at work has increased as I have gotten back into physical fitness in the last 18 months or so. My PDR scores have gone up about 25% and I eating KPIs for breakfast.

 

I also think sports are a (usually) healthy outlet for humans' natural inclinations toward tribalism.





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  #2006505 2-May-2018 12:19
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gzt: I'm old enough to remember the 'Helen Clark is a lesbian and her husband is gay' campaign.

That had legs - without Facebook or Twitter ; ). At the end of that there was supposed to be a big reveal with private detectives on Campbell and they went on TV with nothing except weird ranting.

Somebody paid for that, at the very least the private detectives part.

 

Still not sure of the answer to that one...


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  #2006595 2-May-2018 15:23
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networkn:

MikeB4:


networkn:


I know that some will discard what is being written here, simply because it's written by this person, but I think that this is a pretty honest and fair article. 


https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12043297


I'll admit that Hosking is a right-leaning writer and that he can be a bit of a prat from time to time, but I think he has been reasonably fair with this Government. He has been a lot gentler on JA than I would have been.


 



I will start by saying I really dislike Mr Hosking, so with that out of the way I will say that the article is good if not brief but is a fairly accurate summation of the situation after six months.



He isn't really one for detail. In some ways that feels appropriate, but I could see some dismissing it because of it. Make no mistake, he knows the detail though.



To be fair, the Herald are neither giving him the column inches nor the brief to do detail!





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  #2006795 2-May-2018 22:16
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Well, Winston was making a 'fan' of me. He did this by not opening his mouth and staying out of sight. A silent Winston is my favorite type. 

 

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that the very first thing he has said in months, is to get involved in something that has NOTHING to do with him. He wades in on dirty politics as it relates to Gayford rumors. Does anyone care about Winstons opinion on this? Of all the things he COULD have said, this is what he felt the best use of his time was?

 

 

 

Also, I see Jacinda has bestowed extra responsibilities on Shane Jones. Given he has been doing such an outstanding job with the ones he has already got, seems like a great leadership move to give him even more. 

 

Brilliant! /s

 

 


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  #2006911 3-May-2018 09:20
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Likewise I hadn't heard any rumours about Gayford.  Nor do I care to hear them.

 

As I've said on here previously IMO attacks on politicians family members are below the belt.





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Jacinda's statement yesterday about the Gayford rumours was perfect. Expect her to go up in the polls following this grubby business.


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