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  #2015403 13-May-2018 22:08
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dwilson:

 

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Little wonder National wernt in the running for a coalition deal. They must be happy now.

 

 

Why would they be happy that they are not in government? That is the politicians goal, get into a position of power and implement positive policy change.

 

How could you possibly get this so utterly wrong, again?

 

I feel sorry for you :(

 

 

I'm quite sure Government cycles are no different to business opportunity cycles, or even basic life skills. Sometimes it makes sense to recognize that there is a better opportunity to realize better long term goals, than compromised lesser short term goals. Sometimes you have to suck it up and sit back for a little in order to get a better long term result.  

 

The Labour NZ First coalition is likely to be short term IMO. Peters is the wild card here.

 

National could possibly have done one more term, possibly. Especially if Key had stayed in place, it may have been possible. But that would have been the end of them for at least two, possibly even three terms. Perhaps their goal is to miss what they believe could be a one term coalition and try and win two terms as a fully independent party? Maybe ignore what could be a troublesome term joined at the hip with Peters (same marriage cost - different partners), or sit back and try to regroup with an eye to the longer term opportunities to implement the positive policy changes you suggest?

 

Don't feel sorry for National. (I hope) their goals are long term. Now what do they do about Simon Bridges? I certainly called that wrong.

 

 


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  #2015496 14-May-2018 08:48
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DaveB:

 

dwilson:

 

Pumpedd:

 

Little wonder National wernt in the running for a coalition deal. They must be happy now.

 

 

Why would they be happy that they are not in government? That is the politicians goal, get into a position of power and implement positive policy change.

 

How could you possibly get this so utterly wrong, again?

 

I feel sorry for you :(

 

 

I'm quite sure Government cycles are no different to business opportunity cycles, or even basic life skills. Sometimes it makes sense to recognize that there is a better opportunity to realize better long term goals, than compromised lesser short term goals. Sometimes you have to suck it up and sit back for a little in order to get a better long term result.  

 

The Labour NZ First coalition is likely to be short term IMO. Peters is the wild card here.

 

National could possibly have done one more term, possibly. Especially if Key had stayed in place, it may have been possible. But that would have been the end of them for at least two, possibly even three terms. Perhaps their goal is to miss what they believe could be a one term coalition and try and win two terms as a fully independent party? Maybe ignore what could be a troublesome term joined at the hip with Peters (same marriage cost - different partners), or sit back and try to regroup with an eye to the longer term opportunities to implement the positive policy changes you suggest?

 

Don't feel sorry for National. (I hope) their goals are long term. Now what do they do about Simon Bridges? I certainly called that wrong.

 

 

 

 

oops weird..please delete post ..not sure what happened here :(


 
 
 
 


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  #2016196 15-May-2018 11:01
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MikeB4:

 

Geektastic:

 

Call them whatever suits you - bogans, Westies etc would be the local terms. The name isn't relevant, it's the idea.

 

 

'People' is the correct term

 

 

Can someone with some access to evidence shine a light on this discussion.  Is there a correlation between low household income and anti-social behaviour?

 

My impression from day to day observations is yes.  But I don't actually know.

 

I do know it sucks to have people living next door that subscribe to the 'junk-yard-wilderness' school of landscape architecture.





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  #2016200 15-May-2018 11:05
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dwilson:

 

Pumpedd:

 

Little wonder National wernt in the running for a coalition deal. They must be happy now.

 

 

Why would they be happy that they are not in government? That is the politicians goal, get into a position of power and implement positive policy change.

 

How could you possibly get this so utterly wrong, again?

 

I feel sorry for you :(

 

 

In the immortal words of Kenny Rogers: "Know when to walk away and know when to run"

 

 





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  #2016287 15-May-2018 13:38
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Jacinda gives a balanced and nuanced statement about Gaza. (She has been praised for this by some commenters on Stuff.)

 

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/357403/nz-condemns-israel-s-actions-along-gaza-border


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  #2016291 15-May-2018 13:45
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Tbh, I prefer Bridges's statement. Much more diplomatic and professional.


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  #2016292 15-May-2018 13:47
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amiga500:

 

Jacinda gives a balanced and nuanced statement about Gaza. (She has been praised for this by some commenters on Stuff.)

 

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/357403/nz-condemns-israel-s-actions-along-gaza-border

 

 

I agree, it's well worded and thoughtful. 

 

I wish she was like this more. 

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #2016422 15-May-2018 16:50
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mrfte:

 

Tbh, I prefer Bridges's statement. Much more diplomatic and professional.

 

 

National Party leader Simon Bridges said the case could be made for opening the new embassy, in terms of the US "standing on its rights".
"But ultimately it's hard to argue that this has made things more safe," Mr Bridges said.
It was "worrying and troubling" to see what was happening, and he was calling for restraint on both sides.
"But there's no doubt the US embassy in Jerusalem has inflamed things and it's a less safe situation as a result of that."


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  #2016428 15-May-2018 17:06
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DaveB:

 

mrfte:

 

Tbh, I prefer Bridges's statement. Much more diplomatic and professional.

 

 

National Party leader Simon Bridges said the case could be made for opening the new embassy, in terms of the US "standing on its rights".
"But ultimately it's hard to argue that this has made things more safe," Mr Bridges said.
It was "worrying and troubling" to see what was happening, and he was calling for restraint on both sides.
"But there's no doubt the US embassy in Jerusalem has inflamed things and it's a less safe situation as a result of that."

 

 

 

 

Both are actually good statements. 

 

 


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  #2016440 15-May-2018 17:51
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WTAF!?

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12051840

 

Are they serious? 

 

People who can't afford a house, aren't likely to be doing so because they can't afford the interest on a small portion, and if they are, the margins for error on a budget this tight are likely to see the Government eat it on mortgagee sales! 

 

The ONLY way I'd even consider supporting this decision, is IF they stipulated it was for new builds instead of existing properties. No chance of that though, it's too much common sense. 

 

Since they won't be charging interest, it would seem that the Government has decided the taxpayer doesn't require a return on yet another large chunk of money. 

 

 


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  #2016442 15-May-2018 17:56
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Was just reading the same article...


"I've got officials working on shared equity because we know that even the Kiwibuild price brackets are not affordable for lots of people," he said.


Instant fail Twyford.

Wasn't Kiwibuild meant to be about affordable homes? Build houses that are affordable, don't build them expensive and subsidise. 🙄🤦‍♂️

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  #2016478 15-May-2018 19:55
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rjt123: Was just reading the same article...


"I've got officials working on shared equity because we know that even the Kiwibuild price brackets are not affordable for lots of people," he said.


Instant fail Twyford.

Wasn't Kiwibuild meant to be about affordable homes? Build houses that are affordable, don't build them expensive and subsidise. 🙄🤦‍♂️

 

I agree, but it all depends in which pocket your wallet lies.


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  #2016494 15-May-2018 20:25
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WTAF!?


https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12051840


Are they serious? 


People who can't afford a house, aren't likely to be doing so because they can't afford the interest on a small portion, and if they are, the margins for error on a budget this tight are likely to see the Government eat it on mortgagee sales! 


The ONLY way I'd even consider supporting this decision, is IF they stipulated it was for new builds instead of existing properties. No chance of that though, it's too much common sense. 


Since they won't be charging interest, it would seem that the Government has decided the taxpayer doesn't require a return on yet another large chunk of money. 


 


Imo it almost certainly will be for new builds only in practice and the shared equity input portion is likely to be the land component in many cases. This will expand the market for new homes and provide security for those who need that.

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  #2016506 15-May-2018 20:40
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gzt:
networkn:

WTAF!?


https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12051840


Are they serious? 


People who can't afford a house, aren't likely to be doing so because they can't afford the interest on a small portion, and if they are, the margins for error on a budget this tight are likely to see the Government eat it on mortgagee sales! 


The ONLY way I'd even consider supporting this decision, is IF they stipulated it was for new builds instead of existing properties. No chance of that though, it's too much common sense. 


Since they won't be charging interest, it would seem that the Government has decided the taxpayer doesn't require a return on yet another large chunk of money. 


 


Imo it almost certainly will be for new builds only in practice and the shared equity input portion is likely to be the land component in many cases. This will expand the market for new homes and provide security for those who need that.


Do you have some inside knowledge of this? I see nothing to support those claims?

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  #2016546 15-May-2018 22:12
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None whatsoever. Imo it may be logical for undeveloped land owned by governments and local authorities etc.

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