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  #2017773 17-May-2018 16:10
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$100M for Americas Cup. Wow. 

 

3 times what National gave and Labour were so critical of. 

 

I do wonder how much National got back of it's 36M and how much Labour will get back from it's 100M.

 

Interesting given how outspoken Labour was about National not giving enough money to teachers who are NOW saying they can't afford significant pay increases.

 

 

 

 


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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/103977203/government-hold-your-horses-on-transparency

 

 

 

 

 

Of particular interest to me were the following sections:

 

Earlier this week, the Council for Civil Liberties put out a disappointed press release noting that Justice Minister Andrew Little had written a letter ruling out a review of the OIA.

 

In response, the Government is excusing itself by claiming it never promised legislative change.

 

More broken promises under the guise of not promising "technically".

 

 

 

Back in December, Clare Curran, who is responsible for creating a more open and transparent government, told Newsroom that she would review the act alongside Little.

 

Hahah, Clare Curran open and transparent? You'd be having a laugh! 


 
 
 
 


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  #2017783 17-May-2018 16:50
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Technically a review is only that a look see.

 

Curran is a muppet, my wife was at a women in IT meeting a couple of years back and Clare Curran was presenting, the power point and at the podium and sound was not working and said "this is very complicated we need to get some men into to fix this stuff" my wife along with others at the WOMEN in IT meeting were fuming. 





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  #2017787 17-May-2018 16:55
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networkn:

 

$100M for Americas Cup. Wow. 

 

3 times what National gave and Labour were so critical of. 

 

I do wonder how much National got back of it's 36M and how much Labour will get back from it's 100M.

 

Interesting given how outspoken Labour was about National not giving enough money to teachers who are NOW saying they can't afford significant pay increases.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I always thought Nationals $36Million was too high but $100Million this is obscene especially with the issues we are facing.





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  #2017792 17-May-2018 17:05
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MikeB4:

 

networkn:

 

$100M for Americas Cup. Wow. 

 

 

I always thought Nationals $36Million was too high but $100Million this is obscene especially with the issues we are facing.

 

 

Yes - but National weren't planning on shifting the event to Bluff Harbour /s

 

 

At the time, Auckland mayor Phil Goff said the construction and related costs for the base layout at Wynyard Point would total $212m, with council contributing $98.5m.

 

 

It's probably let Auckland ratepayers off the hook somewhat.


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  #2017820 17-May-2018 18:26
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MikeB4:

rjt123:
MikeB4:


Remember many have deceased partners etc. It never is straight forward




Oh no doubt it's complicated.

Which is why it's complicated to say where the state's responsibility starts and stops.

As I have said before, decentralization would solve a lot of of problems. Which is where Shane Jones' regional fund should be directed towards.


 


Centralisation of the 70s and 80s has created a lot of the mess we have now, not just financial but social upheaval. To change it will require leadership, financial resources, open minds and commitment, but, no one will go first. Again it is complicated as teh build it and they will come idea does not always work but it is worth a try. Maybe instead of building yet another motorway or suburb we use that money to move businesses to say the Bay of Plenty, Wairarapa, Taranaki, Nelson, Blenheim South Canterbury. Where they originally came from. 



How would you get the staff to move?

The regions already believe they can pay less just because of their location. My wife was interviewed for a job in the Wairarapa and when she told them her salary expectations in reply to their enquiry at interview, they said "Oh, we don't pay Wellington rates."

To which she more or less responded with "Why would I work for you then?"





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  #2017821 17-May-2018 18:31
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Geektastic:
MikeB4:

rjt123:
MikeB4:


Remember many have deceased partners etc. It never is straight forward




Oh no doubt it's complicated.

Which is why it's complicated to say where the state's responsibility starts and stops.

As I have said before, decentralization would solve a lot of of problems. Which is where Shane Jones' regional fund should be directed towards.


 


Centralisation of the 70s and 80s has created a lot of the mess we have now, not just financial but social upheaval. To change it will require leadership, financial resources, open minds and commitment, but, no one will go first. Again it is complicated as teh build it and they will come idea does not always work but it is worth a try. Maybe instead of building yet another motorway or suburb we use that money to move businesses to say the Bay of Plenty, Wairarapa, Taranaki, Nelson, Blenheim South Canterbury. Where they originally came from. 



How would you get the staff to move?

The regions already believe they can pay less just because of their location. My wife was interviewed for a job in the Wairarapa and when she told them her salary expectations in reply to their enquiry at interview, they said "Oh, we don't pay Wellington rates."

To which she more or less responded with "Why would I work for you then?"


Lower accommodation costs - save say $150 per week on rent or buy your own home for $150-200k

Better lifestyle. Give Auckland traffic and all their transport problems the one-fingered salute and live the dream in taranaki.

Two good reasons to move right there

 
 
 
 


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Geektastic:
MikeB4:

rjt123:
MikeB4:


Remember many have deceased partners etc. It never is straight forward




Oh no doubt it's complicated.

Which is why it's complicated to say where the state's responsibility starts and stops.

As I have said before, decentralization would solve a lot of of problems. Which is where Shane Jones' regional fund should be directed towards.


 


Centralisation of the 70s and 80s has created a lot of the mess we have now, not just financial but social upheaval. To change it will require leadership, financial resources, open minds and commitment, but, no one will go first. Again it is complicated as teh build it and they will come idea does not always work but it is worth a try. Maybe instead of building yet another motorway or suburb we use that money to move businesses to say the Bay of Plenty, Wairarapa, Taranaki, Nelson, Blenheim South Canterbury. Where they originally came from. 



How would you get the staff to move?

The regions already believe they can pay less just because of their location. My wife was interviewed for a job in the Wairarapa and when she told them her salary expectations in reply to their enquiry at interview, they said "Oh, we don't pay Wellington rates."

To which she more or less responded with "Why would I work for you then?"


Lower accommodation costs - save say $150 per week on rent or buy your own home for $150-200k

Better lifestyle. Give Auckland traffic and all their transport problems the one-fingered salute and live the dream in taranaki.

Two good reasons to move right there

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  #2017834 17-May-2018 18:38
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and live the dream in taranaki.


 

Said not one human being in the history of the world. Not even the guy who discovered it. 


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  #2017841 17-May-2018 18:43
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and live the dream in taranaki.



Said not one human being in the history of the world. Not even the guy who discovered it. 



Taranaki hardcore... Their slogan: God created taranaki so the hardcore people would have a place to live. 😋😜✌️


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  #2017843 17-May-2018 18:46
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Taranaki is lovely and Mount Taranaki is magnificent.




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  #2017846 17-May-2018 18:48
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MikeB4: Taranaki is lovely and Mount Taranaki is magnificent.

 

Ok, apparently it has one fan.

 

 


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  #2017848 17-May-2018 18:55
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MikeB4: Taranaki is lovely and Mount Taranaki is magnificent.


Thanks fans....

But seriously there are a lot of people who wouldn't consider the regions because of a mindset.

There's actually an enviable lifestyle to be had in any small town that many aucklanders don't even know exists.

I bought a 300m house in the rural outskirts of hawera, on a 5 acre block of land where I can graze my own cattle. Spacious and private. About 3 minutes drive to the shops and to work.cost me $500k.

I work in a business in hawera that operates nationally with it's warehouse in Auckland. Earn a wage comparable to anyone in the main centres. Taranaki in itself has the highest gdp per capital in NZ, by far. Can't be said for every reagion of course, but there's more to NZ than Auckland.

I never have any concerns with traffic. About 10minutes drive to an uncrowded beach. mount taranaki is about half an hour away. A million times better than mt Eden or Mt Victoria, snowboarding is far superior to snow planet.

In short decentralization is totally viable for NZ.

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networkn:

 

and live the dream in taranaki.


 

Said not one human being in the history of the world. Not even the guy who discovered it. 

 

 

There's plenty of interesting things to do there; we went to the WOMAD concert for three days in March, saw the festival of lights, have been tramping through the Pouakahi rages and across the tarns to get some very scenic shots, Pukeiti is worth a visit, the main museum's interesting, the sugar loaf islands were gorgeous, excellent cafes in the New Plymouth, Tawhiti museum was absolutely fantastic and has a boat ride now.... lots of things.

 

Our friends are all earning well above the average wage (six figures) in management positions for a bank and a multinational service company. Lot's to like.

 

I'm sure we could cherry pick negatives about every town and city in NZ pretty easily.


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Why? we are facing a huge environmental catastrophe, moving goods up and down this country by massive toxic trucks is stupid. If we were to decentralise then the last thing we want is more trucks on our roads.The best way to move them is by train between rail heads. It is the Governments role to protect and secure its people therefore it is not unreasonable for it to legislate to bring around this change.

 

 

 

 

Legislation in the 1970's and 1980's to force goods onto rail had nothing but negative consequences due to the artificial monopoly it created;  increased prices due to no competition, introduction of inefficiencies into the supply-chain (double and triple handling of goods as they moved between different modalities of transport), sloppy handling practices (don't like it? Tough, because rail is your only choice), massive subsidies for rail projects to move small volumes of goods... there were many negative outcomes and ultimately deregulation was required to reintroduce efficiency into the network. 

 

Rail and coastal shipping is consistently identified as being a far more efficient methods of transport. The free market prefers more efficient transportation methodologies, so if you want the government involved, then they should focus upon removing the barriers that exist (e.g. upgrade infrastructure) to businesses using those methods, rather than legislating the method of transport. That's a far more positive and less risky proposition.


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