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  #2024819 29-May-2018 14:00
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networkn:

 

I definitely don't support the use of abortions as birth control and before people jump all over me

 

 

I'll jump over that with a question:

 

How many women do you think rely on abortion as a primary birth control method?


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  #2024825 29-May-2018 14:06
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Fred99:

 

networkn:

 

I definitely don't support the use of abortions as birth control and before people jump all over me

 

 

I'll jump over that with a question:

 

How many women do you think rely on abortion as a primary birth control method?

 

 

More than 0. 

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #2024826 29-May-2018 14:09
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Fred99:

 

networkn:

 

I definitely don't support the use of abortions as birth control and before people jump all over me

 

 

I'll jump over that with a question:

 

How many women do you think rely on abortion as a primary birth control method?

 

 

Who deserves the most right to life:

 

- A rapist/murderer that has killed and has no issues doing it again.

 

- An innocent baby in the womb a few weeks before being born. (If a C Section was performed right now the baby would live).

 

 


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  #2024839 29-May-2018 14:18
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Fred99:

 

That should be "it's" and "Obviously" doesn't require capitalisation, obviously!

 

I'm not going to have the conversation you want me to have here.  Troll elsewhere - I promise not to join in.

 

 

Well lets agree to disagree. Disagreements on a political view is not trolling.

 

 


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  #2024862 29-May-2018 14:43
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Wiggum:

 

Fred99:

 

networkn:

 

I definitely don't support the use of abortions as birth control and before people jump all over me

 

 

I'll jump over that with a question:

 

How many women do you think rely on abortion as a primary birth control method?

 

 

Who deserves the most right to life:

 

- A rapist/murderer that has killed and has no issues doing it again.

 

- An innocent baby in the womb a few weeks before being born. (If a C Section was performed right now the baby would live).

 

 

 

 

Quantify a few weeks.

 

 

 

 





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  #2024863 29-May-2018 14:46
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MikeB4:

 

Wiggum:

 

Fred99:

 

networkn:

 

I definitely don't support the use of abortions as birth control and before people jump all over me

 

 

I'll jump over that with a question:

 

How many women do you think rely on abortion as a primary birth control method?

 

 

Who deserves the most right to life:

 

- A rapist/murderer that has killed and has no issues doing it again.

 

- An innocent baby in the womb a few weeks before being born. (If a C Section was performed right now the baby would live).

 

 

 

 

Quantify a few weeks.

 

 

 

 

What does it matter? Life begins at birth right?

 

Lets say 4 weeks then. Interested in your response anyway.


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  #2024868 29-May-2018 14:53
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Wiggum:

 

MikeB4:

 

Wiggum:

 

Fred99:

 

networkn:

 

I definitely don't support the use of abortions as birth control and before people jump all over me

 

 

I'll jump over that with a question:

 

How many women do you think rely on abortion as a primary birth control method?

 

 

Who deserves the most right to life:

 

- A rapist/murderer that has killed and has no issues doing it again.

 

- An innocent baby in the womb a few weeks before being born. (If a C Section was performed right now the baby would live).

 

 

 

 

Quantify a few weeks.

 

 

 

 

What does it matter? Life begins at birth right?

 

Lets say 4 weeks then. Interested in your response anyway.

 

 

We will assume that gestation is +/- 40 weeks, therefore you are suggesting that terminations occur at 36 weeks. In NZ terminations are carried out up to 20 weeks. It can be done after that time in exceptional circumstances prescribed by law. 





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  #2024869 29-May-2018 14:56
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Fred99:

 

Well I'd just turn it around again to say that if abortion laws were fair and just, then the possibility of unlicensed and potentially unsafe (aka "backstreet") abortions being carried out would be eliminated anyway - and there's no need for specific legislation covering harm by carrying out unsafe abortion compared to carrying out any other medical procedure which could result in harm if carried out by unqualified idiots.

 

There is a problem with the NZ law the way it is.  Doctors are routinely interpreting the law re preserving the mental health of the woman to determine that an abortion is warranted, and that potentially places doctors in a difficult legal position.  We do have de-facto abortion on demand and should stop pretending that we don't - in order to keep a few religious zealots - mainly men - happy.

 

 

I can think of circumstances (mainly cultural) where despite abortion being overtly legal, some women might seek out clandestine providers.  There is also the risk of women being coerced by partners or family members - which the current system attempts to detect and address.

 

Your second paragraph I agree with - apart from the generalisation it ends on.  Legitimising the current practice makes sense and could be achieved with changes to the Contraception Abortion and Sterilisation Act.

 

I would still want to see unregistered practitioners captured by the crimes act.  Possibly this could be achieved by treating abortion as a type of surgery.  I'm not sure.  On balance, I favour keeping the crimes act as is and changing the other act.

 

 





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  #2024910 29-May-2018 15:31
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An unqualified "backyard" person performed any surgery or procedure which resulted in severe medical misadventure or even death, should certainly be penalized under the crimes act, whether it be a tooth extraction or an abortion.

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  #2024927 29-May-2018 15:45
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MikeB4:

 

We will assume that gestation is +/- 40 weeks, therefore you are suggesting that terminations occur at 36 weeks. In NZ terminations are carried out up to 20 weeks. It can be done after that time in exceptional circumstances prescribed by law. 

 

 

Due to routine ultrasound missing a rare and lethal congenital condition, an ex of mine had one of the >20 weeks procedures.  This is actually foetal-euthanasia via alcohol injection followed by induced delivery.  We were both very young at the time.  Pretty sealed harrowing.





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  #2025010 29-May-2018 16:56
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12060741

 

Was this indicated during the election? Considering how opposed Labour was to Assets being sold....

 

 


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  #2025017 29-May-2018 17:09
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networkn:

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12060741

 

Was this indicated during the election? Considering how opposed Labour was to Assets being sold....

 

 

 

 

They running out of money.


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  #2025018 29-May-2018 17:11
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Wiggum:

 

networkn:

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12060741

 

Was this indicated during the election? Considering how opposed Labour was to Assets being sold....

 

 

 

 

They running out of money.

 

 

Wondering if all their "fundraising" and Tax increases total up at  $11B? :) 

 

 


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  #2025024 29-May-2018 17:25
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Wiggum:

 

networkn:

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12060741

 

Was this indicated during the election? Considering how opposed Labour was to Assets being sold....

 

 

 

 

They running out of money.

 

 

Oh dear we are back to nonsense again.





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  #2025025 29-May-2018 17:26
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networkn:

 

Wiggum:

 

networkn:

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12060741

 

Was this indicated during the election? Considering how opposed Labour was to Assets being sold....

 

 

 

 

They running out of money.

 

 

Wondering if all their "fundraising" and Tax increases total up at  $11B? :) 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The idea is OK 





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