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  # 2008944 6-May-2018 22:56
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DaveB:

 

I previously classed myself as a libby (a liberal) although I am finding that to be a little embarrassing nowadays as Liberalism now seems to be all about shutting down any alternative point of view. And to me, that is a sign of ignorance, arrogance and weakness. 

 

 

That pretty well sums it all up. You have every opportunity to reply to me in these forums and justify your argument with facts, but the scum who are genuinely attempting to "shut down any alternative point of view" are those who are waging an extremely vicious campaign against the media, with Trump as a figurehead - screeching "fake news"

 

Yet any rational analysis and "fact checking" shows that they are overwhelmingly by a huge margin - the biggest liars.

 

 


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  # 2009095 7-May-2018 11:31
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The approach used by Cambridge Analytica is available to any political cause or interest to employ. 

 

In social media individuals' data are (c)overtly collected.  Based on data collected, biased material is displayed and users are manipulated.  None of this is new or surprising to me. Sheep are easy to herd.

 

Social media (internet generally) is proving difficult for govts to regulate. It's the wild west (for now).  I suspect govts will slowly bring large tech companies to heel, if for no other reason than to extract tax revenue.

 

 





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  # 2009214 7-May-2018 13:54
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MikeAqua:

 

The approach used by Cambridge Analytica is available to any political cause or interest to employ. 

 

In social media individuals' data are (c)overtly collected.  Based on data collected, biased material is displayed and users are manipulated.  None of this is new or surprising to me. Sheep are easy to herd.

 

Social media (internet generally) is proving difficult for govts to regulate. It's the wild west (for now).  I suspect govts will slowly bring large tech companies to heel, if for no other reason than to extract tax revenue.

 

 

If Facebook are to believed (probably not much) then the loophole used by CA has been shut.

 

Also is available to any political cause may be correct, but unless there's something to suggest otherwise, CA are the only ones who did use it for a political cause effectively enough to probably sway election outcomes.

 

As far as many people who use social media go, I doubt whether they understand how the data is collected, how to stop it, how it's used, how to recognise individualised propaganda, but CA also probably got lucky (or were clever) with FB as it's been adopted by the older (and inherently more conservative and less IT literate) generation.


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  # 2009238 7-May-2018 14:20
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Fred99:

 

If Facebook are to believed (probably not much) then the loophole used by CA has been shut.

 

Also is available to any political cause may be correct, but unless there's something to suggest otherwise, CA are the only ones who did use it for a political cause effectively enough to probably sway election outcomes.

 

 

But there will always be another loophole, or another way of using another social media platform.  People who don't think critically will always be easily manipulated.  So will people who favour sentiment over evidence.

 

People of other political persuasions will have noticed what CA did.  There are unethical people all over the political spectrum and involved in various advocacy organisations.

 

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

 

X months ago when CA was unknown to most people, there was no evidence they were up to their activities.  Who knows who else is up to something similar and for what political purposes.





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  # 2009249 7-May-2018 14:35
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MikeAqua:

 

Who knows who else is up to something similar and for what political purposes.

 

 

Zuckerberg probably does - it's a very important part of his business to know.


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  # 2009273 7-May-2018 14:55
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Maybe the best hope is that when one gets caught the others tone it down and the most flagrant abuses become unacceptable.

 

 

 

 





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  # 2009283 7-May-2018 15:08
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MikeAqua: Social media (internet generally) is proving difficult for govts to regulate. It's the wild west (for now).  I suspect govts will slowly bring large tech companies to heel, if for no other reason than to extract tax revenue.

Advertising on the other hand is regulated, and the various stats related to that are generally respected by those in the industry. If it is seen as a form of advertising and gets some transparency maybe that will help a little.

 
 
 
 


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  # 2009434 7-May-2018 18:14
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Almost on cue Google releases new campaign advertising policies. A US id is required for purchase + bunch of transparency requirements:

https://www.blog.google/topics/public-policy/supporting-election-integrity-through-greater-advertising-transparency/

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Its interesting as soon as one party gets voted out some of the information we have known for years starts to come out through the media.. were they not aware or just keeping quite to please the government of the day?




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  # 2009800 8-May-2018 11:01
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Better news:

 

https://ico.org.uk/about-the-ico/news-and-events/news-and-blogs/2018/05/ico-serves-enforcement-notice-on-scl-elections-ltd/

 

"We do have jurisdiction over you, you will cough up what's been requested, we don't care if you've closed down Cambridge Analytica - and if you don't cough up the information it's then a criminal matter - and you risk being chucked in the slammer".

 

To shred or not to shred?  (delete data). The strong request seems to indicate that the ICO knows exactly what's there anyway, and either way they've got these scumbags by the short and curlies - especially as the requests were made long before CA's nefarious activities were exposed by the media.


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  # 2010534 9-May-2018 10:30
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Fred99:

 

the scum who are genuinely attempting to "shut down any alternative point of view"

 

 

I hope you appreciate that there are people on both sides of the political spectrum who attempt to shut down the other side.  Attacking the person rather than the argument is something I've always thought the left do better than the right.

 

Their are left leaning and right leaning media organisations.  In the current time journalists often interview each other (rather than interview people who have something useful to say) so journalists' individual biases are important and influential.

 

Personally I'd prefer to see all sides of the argument from candidates/officials/players/CEOs and I don't care what journalists think.





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  # 2011661 9-May-2018 12:55
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Better news:

 

https://ico.org.uk/about-the-ico/news-and-events/news-and-blogs/2018/05/ico-serves-enforcement-notice-on-scl-elections-ltd/

 

"We do have jurisdiction over you, you will cough up what's been requested, we don't care if you've closed down Cambridge Analytica - and if you don't cough up the information it's then a criminal matter - and you risk being chucked in the slammer".

 

To shred or not to shred?  (delete data). The strong request seems to indicate that the ICO knows exactly what's there anyway, and either way they've got these scumbags by the short and curlies - especially as the requests were made long before CA's nefarious activities were exposed by the media.

 

 

They really are scumbags - with a huge sense of superiority. The more they can be chopped down, the better.

 

 





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  # 2012690 9-May-2018 13:53
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With reference to this thread topic Cambridge Analytica are not "Media".

 

I'm sure that the left do in fact do better than the right - when the arguments and facts are rationally analysed.  That's fairly obvious because on average, the more intelligent and better educated people are, the more liberal they tend to lean.


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  # 2012713 9-May-2018 14:14
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Fred99:

 

With reference to this thread topic Cambridge Analytica are not "Media".

 

I'm sure that the left do in fact do better than the right - when the arguments and facts are rationally analysed.  That's fairly obvious because on average, the more intelligent and better educated people are, the more liberal they tend to lean.

 

 

You completely missed my point, but somehow made it anyway.





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  # 2012715 9-May-2018 14:16
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There is a psuedo-intellectual element of the right that tries to bulldoze its way through discussions by dumping avalanches of statistics, quotes, citations, references and 'facts' of every description to try to overwhelm and distract any opposition. Thoughtful, considered analysis is not entirely absent, but it tends to get obfuscated by the mudslides of ideological flak.

 

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