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  # 2175411 9-Feb-2019 11:31
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freitasm:

 

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@Bluntj:

 

Todays paper reports that Sroubek gets a NZ passport as his real identity. This enables him to reapply for NZ residency.

 

I simply dont get this at all. HE is a criminal and in prison at our expense for criminal activities around fake passports????

 

There seems to be a lot more to this story than what we have been told. Someone high up clearly wants this guy to remain in NZ.

 

Do all foreign nationals in NZ prisons get NZ passports before they are deported?

 

 

When mentioning something as significant as this, a link to the source is a good idea.

 

 

Here is the article.

 

@Bluntj Sroubek is not getting a New Zealand passport. He is getting his Czech passport under his real name, which then allows him to apply for a New Zealand residency visa.

 

 

This is what gets me with some of these political threads. These threads are merely Coalition bashing threads. I checked in today on the other one, what a hoot. Especially some comments re bias, they had me LOL. Crazy stuff. This example is classic. As the need for some, is not to debate the issue, its to find a reason to bash. And in the haste once he found something to bash, the post is all wrong and incorrect, so the following WTF are they doing is also incorrect. All because the core need is a bash opportunity. Hence, its difficult to actually discuss issues, as the blue end is all emotional and upset and doesnt want discussion. Often I see avoidance, as in, good point, I wont discuss that, and so on. Again, what some posted re bias was truly hilarious. Which is a pity for what is actually a discussion thread.

 

That bias point still has me smiling!  :-)


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tdgeek:

 

freitasm:

 

@Rikkitic:

 

@Bluntj:

 

Todays paper reports that Sroubek gets a NZ passport as his real identity. This enables him to reapply for NZ residency.

 

I simply dont get this at all. HE is a criminal and in prison at our expense for criminal activities around fake passports????

 

There seems to be a lot more to this story than what we have been told. Someone high up clearly wants this guy to remain in NZ.

 

Do all foreign nationals in NZ prisons get NZ passports before they are deported?

 

 

When mentioning something as significant as this, a link to the source is a good idea.

 

 

Here is the article.

 

@Bluntj Sroubek is not getting a New Zealand passport. He is getting his Czech passport under his real name, which then allows him to apply for a New Zealand residency visa.

 

 

This is what gets me with some of these political threads. These threads are merely Coalition bashing threads. I checked in today on the other one, what a hoot. Especially some comments re bias, they had me LOL. Crazy stuff. This example is classic. As the need for some, is not to debate the issue, its to find a reason to bash. And in the haste once he found something to bash, the post is all wrong and incorrect, so the following WTF are they doing is also incorrect. All because the core need is a bash opportunity. Hence, its difficult to actually discuss issues, as the blue end is all emotional and upset and doesnt want discussion. Often I see avoidance, as in, good point, I wont discuss that, and so on. Again, what some posted re bias was truly hilarious. Which is a pity for what is actually a discussion thread.

 

That bias point still has me smiling!  :-)

 

 

What gets me is that you jump to conclusions before I get the chance to apologise. Even if I got it right, why would you assume it is coalition bashing? Not sure why you want to support the Governments decision on this topic prior to my getting it very wrong.

 

In this case I didnt read the article correctly and I did jump to the wrong conclusion as Freitasm concluded. If I could, I would love to delete my post as I am very embarrassed by it. Sorry to all who had the opportunity to read it.


 
 
 
 


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What gets me is that you jump to conclusions before I get the chance to apologise. Even if I got it right, why would you assume it is coalition bashing? Not sure why you want to support the Governments decision on this topic prior to my getting it very wrong.

 

In this case I didnt read the article correctly and I did jump to the wrong conclusion as Freitasm concluded. If I could, I would love to delete my post as I am very embarrassed by it. Sorry to all who had the opportunity to read it.

 



It’s not jumping to any conclusions it’s quite clear. As I mentioned and as is par for the course. You caught yourself out, no biggie

I don’t support the coalition on this issue that is your assumption as it’s normal apparently to support the party you voted for, no matter what. That is the fault with some on these threads, the issue doesn’t matter it’s just important to bash the other side.

If anyone is not permanently married to any one party, then discussion is easy. Otherwise it’s just A vs B don’t need to be bothered with the actual issue. That’s what I see here from some. Again, no biggie




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  # 2175631 9-Feb-2019 19:50
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@Bluntj did leap to a conclusion, which was wrong, but he also made a fulsome apology for his error. I think it should end there. We all make mistakes.

 

 





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Rikkitic:

@Bluntj did leap to a conclusion, which was wrong, but he also made a fulsome apology for his error. I think it should end there. We all make mistakes.


 



I agree, it’s no biggie as I said,

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Bad article. When I read it yesterday I had the same first impression. There is not one sentence containing "Czech passport".

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He is a Czech, not a NZ citizen, so there isn't a need to say its a Czech passport not a NZ one. 

 

It also says "Consulate General of the Czech Republic Hana Flanderová confirmed Sroubek had been issued a "personal document" That doesn't say its a Czech document, but this guy is a Czech who snuck into NZ


 
 
 
 




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  # 2175721 10-Feb-2019 09:50
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Very few articles written in this country are done well. But I wasn't confused by it. You just have to read the whole thing. 

 

 





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I agree. If its 100% factual, and has no artificial meat created by clever typing, its a bit boring!


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  # 2175751 10-Feb-2019 10:21
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tdgeek: He is a Czech, not a NZ citizen,

The article does not state that fact.

so there isn't a need to say its a Czech passport not a NZ one.

disagree.

It also says "Consulate General of the Czech Republic Hana Flanderová confirmed Sroubek had been issued a "personal document"

which could be a birth certificate or anything else issued to support a passport application.



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OK, but when this thing broke ages ago, he was a Czech that snuck into NZ on a friends passport, and all the other stuff, and that he could be or should be deported. Deportation implies to me that he is a Czech, and you can't give him a NZ passport




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  # 2175792 10-Feb-2019 11:17
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gzt:
tdgeek: He is a Czech, not a NZ citizen,

The article does not state that fact.

so there isn't a need to say its a Czech passport not a NZ one.

disagree.

It also says "Consulate General of the Czech Republic Hana Flanderová confirmed Sroubek had been issued a "personal document"

which could be a birth certificate or anything else issued to support a passport application.


 

Read this, also from that same article: "Czech drug smuggler Karel Sroubek has now obtained a passport in his real identity - that could see him try to apply for residency again."

 

I don't understand why this discussion is taking place. The article, like most articles here nowadays, is not well-written, but it is not confusing, either. All you have to do is read it. Nowhere is it specifically stated what the nationality of the passport is, but that is abundantly clear from the context. Just use your brain. Sentence says he has "now obtained a passport in his real identity". Then it says "that could see him apply for residency again".

 

D'oh people, if the passport he received was somehow miraculously a New Zealand one, he would not need to apply for residency. This is also made clear elsewhere in the article. Yes, it is implied, not specifically stated as it should be, but it is not hard to follow. Misunderstanding only occurs if someone glances at the headline and leaps to a conclusion without reading the full article. For anyone who actually reads it, the information is perfectly clear.

 

 





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I have read the article again and it is poorly written and people could easily jump to the wrong conclusion especially if they wernt totally familiar with the case.

 

My main objection is being labelled a coalition basher, which seems to be the norm if you disagree in any way with any of the Governments decisions. 




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@freitasm: Since you weighed in on this before, I am interested to know if the article was perfectly clear to you when you first read it. When I read it I saw immediately what it was saying. I didn't think it was ambiguous at all. Did you have any trouble understanding it?

 

 





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