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  # 2230685 4-May-2019 10:34
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This is the email I just sent them. I encourage others to do the same.

 

After reading the article on today's RNZ page, and from previous
comments I have heard, I am very angry with Victim Support. I
donated to the Givealittle page to help the victims of the
terrible tragedy in Christchurch. I did not give my money to
Victim Support to do with as you see fit. You should either pass
the money on to the victims, or return it to the donors. I
absolutely do not want it being spent on 'PR consultants' or any
other crap like that. In the future I will be careful to ensure
that Victim Support is not involved in any donation I make to any
cause. Your actions in this matter are shameful and I will do
what I can to make others aware of that.

 

 





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  # 2230687 4-May-2019 10:43
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I've sent this

 

 

Appalling that bureaucracy wins again. Your fundraising page says “We want to be really clear about this, this money is being ring-fenced and is NOT for Victim Support's regular operating costs.”

 

Instead of paying PR agencies to spin stories, time should be spent on paying out funds AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. Every day past is too long.

 

I did not give my money away to be used as a token advertising of the Victims Support services but to be used AS SOON AS POSSIBLE to help families affected by this tragedy.

 





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  # 2230729 4-May-2019 11:16
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We gave a significant sum (significant as in it was tens of multiples the typical donations that we saw being tracked) largely at my wife's instigation. Given what I have known about Victim Support in the past, I had my concerns. It's sad to see those concerns being borne out.

 

I too have sent our own angry e-mail.

 

 

 

 


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  # 2230736 4-May-2019 11:40
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My wife holds power of attorney - alongside the said relative's lawyer - for a very wealthy relative's assets in NZ (let's just say just what that person holds in NZ alone would easily make her eligible for making it onto those silly rich lists if anyone got wind of it). They were going to donate to Victim Support but have decided against it permanently. Good job, Victim Support.

 

I happen to be a trustee for a couple of trusts established by family friends/an old client. They aren't as loaded as my wife's relative but also have significant sums available to donate. When we do the 6-monthly trustee meetings, I'll be adding my piece about ensuring that money doesn't go anywhere near Victim Support.


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  # 2230781 4-May-2019 12:38
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I have now written to my MP about this. Victim Support gets most of its funding from the Crown.

 

 

 

 





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Internet NZ are running member meetings this week: https://internetnz.nz/events

 

DATE TITLE (LOCATION)

 

7th May 2019 Member meeting - Auckland

 

8th May 2019 Member meeting - Wellington

 

16th May 2019 Member meeting - Christchurch

 

Where the response to the Christchurch attacks will be discussed.

 

I will be bringing up Cloudflare as they in my view are the worst offender in Christchurch and not being talked about as we are talking about Facebook or Twitter.

 

Cloudflare provides DDoS protection for *ALL* white supremacist websites on the internet. All the other DDoS providers such as Fastly, MaxCDN, Akamai, Google Project Shield don't have this problem as it is a very unique problem that only Cloudflare has.

 

This hasn't happened by mistake. The Acceptable Use Policy of Cloudflare is a paragraph. Their "abuse" process will result in you being doxed and attacked by the very site you were complaining about hosting and promoting the Christchurch Video and Manifesto. Those same sites still host and promote the content today all happily protected by Cloudflare.

 

This isn't a new problem for Cloudflare as there are numerous complaints over the years: https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/How-San-Francisco-s-Cloudflare-helps-serve-up-11122855.php

 

And a few more recent articles:

 

https://www.vox.com/recode/2019/5/3/18527214/8chan-poway-synagogue-shooting-christchurch-john-earnest

 

https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/insight/audio/2018693237/anonymity-on-the-internet-and-fighting-extremism

 

https://samambreen.wordpress.com/2019/01/05/updated-dossier-on-kiwi-farms/

 

I do find it ironic that Internet NZ actually protect their own site behind Cloudflare and that is something I hope to change after this meeting. I can think of a number of other sites I would like to see move away from Cloudflare.....

 

Another interesting argument which seems to come up is "if it wasn't on our site it would be somewhere else". But it *is* on your site, and you are intentionally not doing anything about it so you are just as culpable as the sites themselves.

 

To me it has come to a point in my view that while yes they provide a useful service you can either support them with your money, or choose not to support white supremacists as they have shown they have no morals as a company.

 

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Wonder where the interest on the $6m is going.. that can't be too insignificant if more than the .2% market most of us get. Out and into another acct, absorbed into costs. Or re-invested..


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  # 2232015 6-May-2019 21:54
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By the way, did anyone get an acknowledgement, let alone a reply, to their e-mails from Victim (No)Support? Zilch on either front for me.


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  # 2232027 6-May-2019 22:07
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Nope. They say they are too busy helping the victims 😒.

 

 





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You'll remember these events around One Nation party in Australia, the less successful equivalent of the US Republican party.

Senator Fraser Anning blamed the New Zealand mosque attacks on Muslim migration, and was publicly egged by "egg boy."

Various One Nation members were caught on video seeking donations from the American NRA, National Rifle Assocation, discussing how a sum of A$10-$20 million would enable the party to seize control of the upper house and "have the government by the balls". Their excuse: "we were drunk."

and now this

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2019/04/pauline-hanson-breaks-down-defending-one-nation-after-scandals.html

Pauline Hanson breaks down defending One Nation after scandals

Australia's One Nation leader Pauline Hanson has broken down on national television explaining her upset with several scandals her party is embroiled in.

On Tuesday, the Queensland leader of the party, Steve Dickson, resigned after footage emerged of him groping women at a United States strip club last year. In the video, he also makes disparaging comments about women.
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It couldn't have happened to a more deserving bigot. You can serve the interests of farmers without attacking the interests of refugees.

 

 

 

 





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  # 2232357 7-May-2019 17:08
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Received this reply via email from Victims Support New Zealand:

 

 

Thank you for your email and for taking the time to raise your concerns with us. Thank you also for contributing to the victims' fund.

 

I understand that the public have concerns especially when they hear stories about victims struggling. I can reassure you that every cent - including interest - will be going to victims. We just need to ensure we have them all, as people who were traumatised by being in the mosques at the time who weren't themselves physically injured and haven't had contact with Police are still coming forward each week.

 

Our CEO Kevin Tso has just posted an update on our website that should answer your questions.

 





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  # 2232378 7-May-2019 17:48
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Yeah, I just got the same letter. I think the RNZ articles kicked them into action.

 

 





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The New York Times - Jacinda Ardern: How to Stop the Next Christchurch Massacre

 

Social media needs reform. No one should be able to broadcast mass murder.

 

By Jacinda Ardern

 

Ms. Ardern is the prime minister of New Zealand.

 

May 11, 2019

 

This Opinion piece is behind a paywall, and is quoted in full ...

 

 

WELLINGTON, New Zealand — At 1:40 p.m. on Friday, March 15, a gunman entered a mosque in the city of Christchurch and shot dead 41 people as they worshiped.

 

He then drove for six minutes to another mosque where, at 1:52 p.m., he entered and took the lives of another seven worshipers in just three minutes. Three more people died of their injuries after the attack.

 

For New Zealand this was an unprecedented act of terror. It shattered our small country on what was otherwise an ordinary Friday afternoon. I was on my way to visit a new school, people were preparing for the weekend, and Kiwi Muslims were answering their call to prayer. Fifty men, women and children were killed that day. Thirty-nine others were injured; one died in the hospital weeks later, and some will never recover.

 

This attack was part of a horrifying new trend that seems to be spreading around the world: It was designed to be broadcast on the internet.

 

The entire event was live-streamed - for 16 minutes and 55 seconds - by the terrorist on social media. Original footage of the live stream was viewed some 4,000 times before being removed from Facebook. Within the first 24 hours, 1.5 million copies of the video had been taken down from the platform. There was one upload per second to YouTube in the first 24 hours.

 

The scale of this horrific video’s reach was staggering. Many people report seeing it autoplay on their social media feeds and not realizing what it was - after all, how could something so heinous be so available? I use and manage my social media just like anyone else. I know the reach of this video was vast, because I too inadvertently saw it.

 

We can quantify the reach of this act of terror online, but we cannot quantify its impact. What we do know is that in the first week and a half after the attack, 8,000 people who saw it called mental health support lines here in New Zealand.

 

My job in the immediate aftermath was to ensure the safety of all New Zealanders and to provide whatever assistance and comfort I could to those affected. The world grieved with us. The outpouring of sorrow and support from New Zealanders and from around the globe was immense. But we didn’t just want grief; we wanted action.

 

Our first move was to pass a law banning the military-style semiautomatic guns the terrorist used. That was the tangible weapon.

 

But the terrorist’s other weapon was live-streaming the attack on social media to spread his hateful vision and inspire fear. He wanted his chilling beliefs and actions to attract attention, and he chose social media as his tool.

 

We need to address this, too, to ensure that a terrorist attack like this never happens anywhere else. That is why I am leading, with President Emmanuel Macron of France, a gathering in Paris on Wednesday not just for politicians and heads of state but also the leaders of technology companies. We may have our differences, but none of us wants to see digital platforms used for terrorism.

 

Our aim may not be simple, but it is clearly focused: to end terrorist and violent extremist content online. This can succeed only if we collaborate.

 

Numerous world leaders have committed to going to Paris, and the tech industry says it is open to working more closely with us on this issue — and I hope they do. This is not about undermining or limiting freedom of speech. It is about these companies and how they operate.

 

I use Facebook, Instagram and occasionally Twitter. There’s no denying the power they have and the value they can provide. I’ll never forget a few days after the March 15 attack a group of high school students telling me how they had used social media to organize and gather in a public park in Christchurch to support their school friends who had been affected by the massacre.

 

Social media connects people. And so we must ensure that in our attempts to prevent harm that we do not compromise the integral pillar of society that is freedom of expression.

 

But that right does not include the freedom to broadcast mass murder.

 

And so, New Zealand will present a call to action in the name of Christchurch, asking both nations and private corporations to make changes to prevent the posting of terrorist content online, to ensure its efficient and fast removal and to prevent the use of live-streaming as a tool for broadcasting terrorist attacks. We also hope to see more investment in research into technology that can help address these issues.

 

The Christchurch call to action will build on work already being undertaken around the world by other international organizations. It will be a voluntary framework that commits signatories to counter the drivers of terrorism and put in place specific measures to prevent the uploading of terrorist content.

 

A terrorist attack like the one in Christchurch could happen again unless we change. New Zealand could reform its gun laws, and we did. We can tackle racism and discrimination, which we must. We can review our security and intelligence settings, and we are. But we can’t fix the proliferation of violent content online by ourselves. We need to ensure that an attack like this never happens again in our country or anywhere else.

 





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