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  # 2239876 17-May-2019 12:05
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I've lived in Auckland and Christchurch, there's racism in both places.  I've also lived in Sydney and Melbourne.  Ditto.

 

Trying to quantify differences to score points is just stupid IMO. YMMV.


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  # 2242529 21-May-2019 17:51
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Terrorism charges laid.

 

 

The man accused of committing the Christchurch terror attack is now facing three more charges, including one under the Terrorism Suppression Act.

 

Australian national *********, 28, already faces 50 charges of murder and 38 of attempted murder. 

 

Police Commissioner Mike Bush said the man has now been charged with engaging in a Terrorist Act under section 6A of the Terrorism Suppression Act 2002.

 





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  # 2242605 21-May-2019 19:42
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Hopefully this will be his home for the rest of his life.


 



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  # 2242670 21-May-2019 21:04
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Don't see what the terrorism charges add. Bill Hodge is possibly the most annoying legal academic in my books but for once I agree with him. If gutless loser is convicted of murder, he's going away for a long time (likely forever); adding on terrorism charges/convictions won't per se lengthen his non-parole period. By making whether his act constitutes terrorism and what is terrorism a live issue, as opposed to just whether he intended to kill people and in fact did kill people, the Crown risks giving him a platform to rant and rave.

 

 

 

 


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  # 2242749 21-May-2019 21:19
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Don't see what the terrorism charges add. ...

 

 

Do terrorism charges provide grounds for deportation?

 

Grounds for deportation

 

"Security risk – if you are a current threat to New Zealand’s defence or security, including security against terrorism, spying and organised crime"

 

"Security risk – You have no appeal rights in this situation."





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  # 2242763 21-May-2019 22:23
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We are not going to deport him. At least not until he's served a massive number of years. As a country, we would have no credibility if we are seen as unwilling to incur the costs of holding to account someone who (giving some theoretical account that he might be found not guilty for a moment) is almost certain to be found guilty of the murder of 51 people




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  # 2242882 22-May-2019 07:05
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Maybe it's not about him.
Perhaps the group(s) that he was associated with / supported him will be designated as terrorist organisations under the terrorism suppression act.

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  # 2243307 22-May-2019 19:24
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Again, I also struggle to see what purpose that would serve. The general indications have been that the guy's just a loser who hangs around a bit in loose groupings of white supremacist losers. As obnoxious as they are, they are unlikely to cross the very high threshold of being classified as terrorists and I am not sure that merely because one of their members might be convicted of murder that you would automatically be able to classify them as such, although I haven't exactly studied the Act in great detail. There can be legitimate social reasons for wanting to unambiguously label the loser as the terrorist that he is but the risks of giving him a platform are high.

 

 

 

 


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  # 2243349 22-May-2019 21:03
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Yesterday I was reading a story on Stuff. To my surprise (or not), a photo down the page (captioned "Police investigating the death of Angela Blackmoore searched the Riccarton headquarters of the Templars MC") shows a banner with an eagle and swastika. An the photo is from 1995.

 

So yes, there's that.





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  # 2243758 23-May-2019 14:10
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freitasm:

Yesterday I was reading a story on Stuff. To my surprise (or not), a photo down the page (captioned "Police investigating the death of Angela Blackmoore searched the Riccarton headquarters of the Templars MC") shows a banner with an eagle and swastika. An the photo is from 1995.


So yes, there's that.


I agree it's unacceptable. Are the chch Templars actually a race based gang though? For example Mongrel Mob gang has used the symbol, presumably for shock value, without any intent of nazi-ism or racism.

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  # 2244642 24-May-2019 15:21
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Horrible stuff about 8Chan. Not safe for work. If you're sensitive, don't watch.

Christchurch attack: The new face of white supremacy in New Zealand

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White supremacy in New Zealand used to be easy to spot, with skinhead haircuts and Nazi symbols. But not any more: now it has moved online.


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  # 2244682 24-May-2019 16:00
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gzt:

 

I agree it's unacceptable. Are the chch Templars actually a race based gang though? For example Mongrel Mob gang has used the symbol, presumably for shock value, without any intent of nazi-ism or racism.

 

Probably because they are too knuckle-dragging dumb to know what it means. I doubt many such thugs got high marks in history class.

 

 





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  # 2245198 25-May-2019 10:29
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Family next door to mosque sheltered worshippers during the shooting:

Stuff: Len Peneha rescued a number of people from the Al Noor mosque and hid them in his house next door.
Len Peneha doesn't think he is a hero, but when he saw injured people frantically climbing a wall from the Al-Noor mosque next door, he didn't hesitate to rush to their aid.

The Christchurch granddad remembers standing, shocked, in his driveway, as the sound of loud gunfire reverberated around him.

Sunlight reflected gently off the mosque's golden dome next door on Deans Ave, where worshippers were kneeling during Friday prayers.

Like a man dodging angry bees, Peneha ducked across his driveway, hiding from the bullets of an unknown gunman.

Great article from Stuff. One of the things I take from that is the victim support process is inadequate for anyone at all. Looks like it started as some kind of volunteer organisation and does not really have the ability to provide the wrap around hug support needed by any victim of violence. Imo the whole thing should be directly funded by ACC as a proper service for victims.

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  # 2245284 25-May-2019 11:41
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And here we have the example of the racist-in-chief:

 

"When is Twitter going to allow the very popular Conservative Voices that it has so viciously shut down, back into the OPEN? IT IS TIME!"

 

 

The "very popular Conservative Voices" were expelled from Twitter for being racist, white supremacist people. But Donald needs his base.





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  # 2247849 29-May-2019 16:49
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BBC News - Australia's 'Egg Boy' gives donations to NZ attack survivors

 

today

 


An Australian teenager who broke an egg on a controversial far-right senator's head says he has given almost AUD $100,000 to survivors of the Christchurch mosque attacks.

 

Will Connolly, 17, egged Fraser Anning in March - prompting people online to dub him "Egg Boy" and flood him with donations to pay his legal expenses.

 

Mr Anning had caused fury a day earlier when he said Muslim migration was to blame for the Christchurch shootings. ...

 





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