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  # 2199684 16-Mar-2019 18:06
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Fred99:

 

timmay556:

 

quickymart:

 

timmay556:

 

There is no need for V8's or Twin Turbo cars.

 

You would better spend your time banning Alcohol in this country, it probably kills 50 people each week due to the side effects and or drink driving etc

 

 

So no changes need to be made to gun laws whatsoever? Do I understand you correctly?

 

 

Correct. This is the first Mass killing in NZ in umpteen years, a knee-jerk reaction is not what is needed here.

 

 

Get off the grass.

 

The false equivalence argument (cars/booze) you use above is abject utter Bullsh*t.

 

As for the poor gun owners who will lose their so-called "right" to own military style semi-automatic weapons, specifically designed to kill other human beings in combat, now used to kill 50 of my innocent fellow citizens on my doorstep. It's a trivial loss of of their "right" to pleasure themselves, versus the unprecedented horrific events of yesterday - and possibility that will trigger copycat crimes of similar magnitude, I truly don't care about gun owners losing the right to own devices designed and used to kill people. It's pathetic - and a sick argument.

 

 

 

 

Not at all, it is a perfect example of double standards. Drunk drivers kill around a hundred people a year. The number of mass shootings we have in NZ is stupidly small.

 

What is truly sick is people using cognitive dissonance in order to push their own biases (your post is a good example.)


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  # 2199691 16-Mar-2019 18:19
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So we should just do nothing about the current gun laws, and continue on as we are right now? Is that right, in your view?


 
 
 
 


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  # 2199692 16-Mar-2019 18:20
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quickymart:

 

So we should just do nothing about the current gun laws, and continue on as we are right now? Is that right, in your view?

 

 


Should we ban all alcohol because of the last person that drove drunk?


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  # 2199693 16-Mar-2019 18:22
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That's not the question I asked you.


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  # 2199694 16-Mar-2019 18:22
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quickymart:

 

That's not the question I asked you.

 

 

Nobody is directly answering my questions, I don't see why I should yours.




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  # 2199699 16-Mar-2019 18:26
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timmay556:

 

Not at all, it is a perfect example of double standards. Drunk drivers kill around a hundred people a year. The number of mass shootings we have in NZ is stupidly small.

 

What is truly sick is people using cognitive dissonance in order to push their own biases (your post is a good example.)

 

 

No it isn't - and you're trolling.  The guns being banned are specifically designed to kill other people, deliberately and very effectively - as we have just seen.  Alcohol and fast cars aren't.

 

Moaning about being denied the opportunity of playing with such weapons "for fun" as a child does with a toy - is extremely selfish.

 

 


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  # 2199700 16-Mar-2019 18:29
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Fred99:

 

timmay556:

 

Not at all, it is a perfect example of double standards. Drunk drivers kill around a hundred people a year. The number of mass shootings we have in NZ is stupidly small.

 

What is truly sick is people using cognitive dissonance in order to push their own biases (your post is a good example.)

 

 

No it isn't - and you're trolling.  The guns being banned are specifically designed to kill other people, deliberately and very effectively - as we have just seen.  Alcohol and fast cars aren't.

 

Moaning about being denied the opportunity of playing with such weapons "for fun" as a child does with a toy - is extremely selfish.

 

 

 

 

Just because you cant logically answer my questions it doesnt make me a troll. Maybe you should reflect on the hard facts of Alcohol causing far, far more deaths and hurt to NZ'ers each and every year than firearms do before proposing law amendments on something you clearly do not have more than a basic media sensationalist induced understanding of.


 
 
 
 




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  # 2199711 16-Mar-2019 18:40
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timmay556:

 

Fred99:

 

timmay556:

 

Not at all, it is a perfect example of double standards. Drunk drivers kill around a hundred people a year. The number of mass shootings we have in NZ is stupidly small.

 

What is truly sick is people using cognitive dissonance in order to push their own biases (your post is a good example.)

 

 

No it isn't - and you're trolling.  The guns being banned are specifically designed to kill other people, deliberately and very effectively - as we have just seen.  Alcohol and fast cars aren't.

 

Moaning about being denied the opportunity of playing with such weapons "for fun" as a child does with a toy - is extremely selfish.

 

 

 

 

Just because you cant logically answer my questions it doesnt make me a troll. Maybe you should reflect on the hard facts of Alcohol causing far, far more deaths and hurt to NZ'ers each and every year than firearms do before proposing law amendments on something you clearly do not have more than a basic media sensationalist induced understanding of.

 

 

I'm not answering any false equivalence questions asked by someone who has no idea what false equivalence means - despite my attempt to give you a clue to something you're apparently unable to comprehend you're doing.

 

You're trolling - not sure if that's on purpose, or you're genuinely clueless.


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  # 2199713 16-Mar-2019 18:41
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Timmay556: There's a slight distinction that you're missing. It's pretty hard for alcohol to make one person capable of sending tens of people to their deaths involuntarily in horrendous and gruesome ways in one go. Most people killed directly or indirectly by alcohol are still people who freely choose to drink it.

 

You know, differences and all that. Try harder if you're going to troll.

 

 

 

 




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  # 2199719 16-Mar-2019 18:46
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dejadeadnz:

 

Timmay556: There's a slight distinction that you're missing. It's pretty hard for alcohol to make one person capable of sending tens of people to their deaths involuntarily in horrendous and gruesome ways in one go. Most people killed directly or indirectly by alcohol are still people who freely choose to drink it.

 

You know, differences and all that. Try harder if you're going to troll.

 

 

Wait for it, (s)he'll be desperately googling to try and find some obscure example....


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  # 2199721 16-Mar-2019 18:46
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A couple of posters here have clearly demonstrated to everyone their inability to hold a discussion based on facts and have disintegrated in to just name calling (troll). If this is the level of discourse I am to expect from this thread it will be my last reply.

 

 

 

There is no point using facts to debate someone who hasn't used them to form their own opinion. 




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  # 2199723 16-Mar-2019 18:50
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timmay556:

 

A couple of posters here have clearly demonstrated to everyone their inability to hold a discussion based on facts and have disintegrated in to just name calling (troll). If this is the level of discourse I am to expect from this thread it will be my last reply.

 

 

 

There is no point using facts to debate someone who hasn't used them to form their own opinion. 

 

 

The moment you'd have posted facts instead of abject BS fallacious arguments could have been the moment to engage in conversation.

 

Away you go then.  Bye.

 

 


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  # 2199728 16-Mar-2019 18:54
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Fred99:

 

No it isn't - and you're trolling.  The guns being banned are specifically designed to kill other people, deliberately and very effectively - as we have just seen.  Alcohol and fast cars aren't.

 

Moaning about being denied the opportunity of playing with such weapons "for fun" as a child does with a toy - is extremely selfish.

 

 

 

 

Are you intentionally ignoring the distinction between semi-automatic, and military style weapons designed to kill people? You certainly seem to have ignored where it was pointed out earlier in the thread... Seems like you're really going for the old logical fallacy of emotional appeal.




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  # 2199732 16-Mar-2019 19:03
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Tracer:

 

Fred99:

 

No it isn't - and you're trolling.  The guns being banned are specifically designed to kill other people, deliberately and very effectively - as we have just seen.  Alcohol and fast cars aren't.

 

Moaning about being denied the opportunity of playing with such weapons "for fun" as a child does with a toy - is extremely selfish.

 

 

 

 

Are you intentionally ignoring the distinction between semi-automatic, and military style weapons designed to kill people? You certainly seem to have ignored where it was pointed out earlier in the thread... Seems like you're really going for the old logical fallacy of emotional appeal.

 

 

No - I agree - sorry if I didn't answer you before.  There's a place for legitimate use of semi-automatic rifles for hunting etc, though personally I always used bolt action high power rifles, for a few reasons.

 

I'm very uncomfortable with the concept that *for pleasure* people would use an AR15 etc to hone their skills in getting as many shots on a target in as short a time as possible. 


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  # 2199734 16-Mar-2019 19:07
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Tracer: To be clear AR15 military style ban != semi-auto ban. The latter is very problematic, the former, no problem, let's do it.

AR-15 style is extremely versatile. It seems the parts have a high degree of interchangeablity even where some manufacturers try to avoid that for compliance reasons.

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