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sir1963

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#3095955 28-Jun-2023 18:44

tdgeek:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/06/green-mp-julie-anne-genter-slams-national-after-christopher-luxon-promises-to-make-electric-vehicle-drivers-pay-road-user-charges.html

Has to happen sometime.

Its the low income families who do not have electric vehicles so I am unsure why the greens think the poor should be subsiding wealthy people by paying road taxes for them.

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#3095962 28-Jun-2023 18:56

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Its the low income families who do not have electric vehicles so I am unsure why the greens think the poor should be subsiding wealthy people by paying road taxes for them.

100%. My opinion is the tax/subsidy in its current form is stupid. It needs refining. Using the "ute tax" is also stupid.

With supplies being super super low, let the early adopters, adopt. Why add demand when there is already excess demand over supply? When supplies are everywhere, then you can tweak the later adopters. But you need to allow for the vehicles where there is no EV equivalent. Physically or $

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#3095978 28-Jun-2023 20:20

sir1963:

tdgeek:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/06/green-mp-julie-anne-genter-slams-national-after-christopher-luxon-promises-to-make-electric-vehicle-drivers-pay-road-user-charges.html

Has to happen sometime.

Its the low income families who do not have electric vehicles so I am unsure why the greens think the poor should be subsiding wealthy people by paying road taxes for them.

The Greens at their best.

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#3095990 28-Jun-2023 21:19

Technofreak:
sir1963:

Its the low income families who do not have electric vehicles so I am unsure why the greens think the poor should be subsiding wealthy people by paying road taxes for them.

The Greens at their best.

In a rare factual mistake you’ve omitted to mention that the RUC exception was introduced by the National government.

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#3096011 28-Jun-2023 23:19

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The Greens at their best.

In a rare factual mistake you’ve omitted to mention that the RUC exception was introduced by the National government.

That's very flattering of you to say that though I think you speak with a forked tongue.

I wasn't commenting on the introduction of the RUC exemption whch I happen to think was a stupid idea as those receiving it didn't need it. The poor were subsidising the rich. I'm surprised you haven't made a bigger deal about that.

I was commenting on the Greens protesting about National admitting their folly and planning to fix their stuff up (they haven't actually used those words but that's what they've effectively said) Then by default the Greens basically saying those that cannot afford an EV should continue to subsidise those that can. The Greens don't really care what social impact their policies have.

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#3104689 16-Jul-2023 12:38

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/national-to-make-major-road-transport-announcement-with-chris-luxon-and-simeon-brown/FGCCGHOOAZGZ7PKMF5BT7UUJE4/ >> of course, National is always abour roads, roads, roads. Nothing about any other forms of transport, even though they're important too.

Ironically, if National also focused on rail where possible (for example) as another means of moving freight around, it would reduce the number of potholes on the roads caused by heavy trucks that would need repairing in the first place.

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#3104715 16-Jul-2023 13:32

quickymart:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/national-to-make-major-road-transport-announcement-with-chris-luxon-and-simeon-brown/FGCCGHOOAZGZ7PKMF5BT7UUJE4/ >> of course, National is always abour roads, roads, roads. Nothing about any other forms of transport, even though they're important too.

Ironically, if National also focused on rail where possible (for example) as another means of moving freight around, it would reduce the number of potholes on the roads caused by heavy trucks that would need repairing in the first place.

So just curious here, what have Labour done over the last 6 years to achieve what you claim National should her done ?

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#3104717 16-Jul-2023 13:43

Tit for tat. Maybe we should look for solutions instead.

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#3104723 16-Jul-2023 14:21

Rikkitic:

Tit for tat. Maybe we should look for solutions instead.

Oh I agree with you here. No party is spotless, that is why I do not belong to any of them, and at different times have voted for most of them.

I am however of the belief that if you are going to blame a party (which ever) then you should also show how the party you support has done something to fix it.

There are a number of issues that all parties have kicked the can down the road time and time again

Mental Health
Primary health care
Hospital healthcare
Education, all all levels from primary through to tertiary
Public transport
Housing
Law and order
Welfare

Too much gets done because of ideology by all parties with them refusing to accept blame for then when they do not work in reality.

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#3104826 16-Jul-2023 17:36

sir1963:

Oh I agree with you here. No party is spotless, that is why I do not belong to any of them, and at different times have voted for most of them.

I am however of the belief that if you are going to blame a party (which ever) then you should also show how the party you support has done something to fix it.

There are a number of issues that all parties have kicked the can down the road time and time again

Mental Health
Primary health care
Hospital healthcare
Education, all all levels from primary through to tertiary
Public transport
Housing
Law and order
Welfare

Too much gets done because of ideology by all parties with them refusing to accept blame for then when they do not work in reality.

1000% Bolded is me also.

My take is:

A party needs votes, to get those votes you say this or that, irregardless of what is best for NZ

Invariably they end up in a no win situation, so its a blame game. Whoever plays the blame game the best wins, but its meaningless for NZ

Ironically you could say that one of the parties are about increasing tax. Thats good for the coffers, but it reduces the economy. Cash is oil, cash flows through the economy. Or we give big tax cuts, great. Then the Government of the day is hamstrung for cash so when a sector cries out for money, "sorry no"

End if the day, no matter what sector you are interested in, it will get kicked down the road, in favour of todays vote getting sector

So, 15 October, election over. If Labour wins (which is highly unlikely as Covid Govts have been smashed) then all good, box on, safe for 3 years.

If National wins, which it will, what they cannot achieve is blamed on the past Govt. Which is a bit rich. I blamed a past Govt in 2016 for kicking the can but I was cut down, "no you cannot say that". I am waiting for the call...

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#3104894 17-Jul-2023 06:24

tdgeek:

If National wins, which it will, what they cannot achieve is blamed on the past Govt. Which is a bit rich. I blamed a past Govt in 2016 for kicking the can but I was cut down, "no you cannot say that". I am waiting for the call...

Well the current one - the one with the absolute majority - is still trying to blame National who haven't been in power since mid 2017. So I feel like the bar is pretty low on that.

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#3104896 17-Jul-2023 06:32

@gv27 the discussion is still about National and internal movements. It is not about the current government so thread lightly. If this discussion veers out of topic because of this comment then it will be locked.

Find the Labour government discussion to moan about the current government.

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#3104898 17-Jul-2023 06:42

GV27:

tdgeek:

If National wins, which it will, what they cannot achieve is blamed on the past Govt. Which is a bit rich. I blamed a past Govt in 2016 for kicking the can but I was cut down, "no you cannot say that". I am waiting for the call...

Well the current one - the one with the absolute majority - is still trying to blame National who haven't been in power since mid 2017. So I feel like the bar is pretty low on that.

Citation required.

Unless all the sectors that we know are problematic, were all fine in 2017?

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#3104899 17-Jul-2023 06:45

Damn it @tdgeek

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