Probably better to have no promises, and no action, that's a pass....

antonknee:

 

(however please note a collation government cannot be fairly compared to each party’s campaign promises) and the current doesn’t exactly inspire me with confidence. There have been some hits and some (big) misses, but show me a government or politician who delivers all their promises?

 

Yes it can, when that party's only chance of forming a government is a coalition with those exact same parties. Otherwise you could just promise literally anything and then walk it back with impunity because "coalition". 

As for 'big misses' - try 'every single flagship policy bar the FBB which was also severely watered down'. Remember the 'Town Hall Reset'? Or the 'Year of Delivery'? There was a legitimate expectation of fulfillment, created and then reinforced by them once in government. 

Not only that, Labour had used these policies to attack National for years leading up to the 2017 election by trying to show everyone how pro-active they'd be, and then spent the next term crapping on about 'nine long years' as an excuse to do nothing for three long years, arguably four.

And despite all this hypocrisy, the failure rates of campaign policies, the lack of new flagship policies and the total collapse of ministerial accountability, National has barely managed to land a hit on them. 

If they don't win the next election, one of their biggest fans may leave the country (paywalled):

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/mike-hosking-progressive-politics-in-new-zealand-is-on-borrowed-time/O54WFNDQ3EIH522RFCQ3XQJRYA/

"The world is rejecting left-leaning politics." Yes, that's exactly what we all saw at the last election, right? Right? That's why National crushed everyone else at the polls, right?

Oh wait...

quickymart:

 

If they don't win the next election, one of their biggest fans may leave the country (paywalled):

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/mike-hosking-progressive-politics-in-new-zealand-is-on-borrowed-time/O54WFNDQ3EIH522RFCQ3XQJRYA/

 

Safe travels...

quickymart:

 

If they don't win the next election, one of their biggest fans may leave the country (paywalled):

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/mike-hosking-progressive-politics-in-new-zealand-is-on-borrowed-time/O54WFNDQ3EIH522RFCQ3XQJRYA/

 

"The world is rejecting left-leaning politics." Yes, that's exactly what we all saw at the last election, right? Right? That's why National crushed everyone else at the polls, right?

 

Oh wait...

 

Labour is centrist (barely left-leaning). People clearly voted against harder left as they left Greens out altogether.

networkn:

 

quickymart:

 

If they don't win the next election, one of their biggest fans may leave the country (paywalled):

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/mike-hosking-progressive-politics-in-new-zealand-is-on-borrowed-time/O54WFNDQ3EIH522RFCQ3XQJRYA/

 

"The world is rejecting left-leaning politics." Yes, that's exactly what we all saw at the last election, right? Right? That's why National crushed everyone else at the polls, right?

 

Oh wait...

 

 

Labour is centrist (barely left-leaning). People clearly voted against harder left as they left Greens out altogether*.

 

 

 

* except for the 10 seats they won.

quickymart:

 

If they don't win the next election, one of their biggest fans may leave the country (paywalled):

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/mike-hosking-progressive-politics-in-new-zealand-is-on-borrowed-time/O54WFNDQ3EIH522RFCQ3XQJRYA/

 

"The world is rejecting left-leaning politics." Yes, that's exactly what we all saw at the last election, right? Right? That's why National crushed everyone else at the polls, right?

 

Oh wait...

 

Good riddance. He is so full of crap even aliens would be afraid to probe him. This is just wishful thinking. 

networkn:

 

quickymart:

 

If they don't win the next election, one of their biggest fans may leave the country (paywalled):

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/mike-hosking-progressive-politics-in-new-zealand-is-on-borrowed-time/O54WFNDQ3EIH522RFCQ3XQJRYA/

 

"The world is rejecting left-leaning politics." Yes, that's exactly what we all saw at the last election, right? Right? That's why National crushed everyone else at the polls, right?

 

Oh wait...

 

 

Labour is centrist (barely left-leaning). People clearly voted against harder left as they left Greens out altogether.

 

The opposite happened: 6.2% in 2017, up to 7.8% in 2020. Not sure how anyone can say Labour is barely left after seeing the budget.

arcon:

 

 

 

The opposite happened: 6.2% in 2017, up to 7.8% in 2020. Not sure how anyone can say Labour is barely left after seeing the budget.

 

The red budget?

That we aren't seeing anything aspirational or new from National really isn't that much of a surprise, w aren't even 1 year into the new term yet, miles away from the next general election and other than being vocal about any Government shortcomings (perceived or actual), there is little to gain by giving the current Govt future ammo to use against them.

Will National be competitive next time round, unlikely. Will Judith Collins be at the helm, also unlikely but then you either go back to Bridges (which would be seen as a "safe bet" in that he is largely personable) or you go onto John Key V2 in Chris Luxon (who doesn't have much of a political profile yet).

All they can do is poke holes and try and create doubt, but it will be more of the same until nearer the end of 2022

tdgeek:

 

arcon:

 

 

 

The opposite happened: 6.2% in 2017, up to 7.8% in 2020. Not sure how anyone can say Labour is barely left after seeing the budget.

 

 

The red budget?

 

Whether or not it will have the same effect on our economy as the red wedding did on house Stark remains to be seen I guess......

I think Christopher Luxon needs to do a lot more before he could be a real threat to Judith Collins. At the moment he doesn't have a profile at all, apart from "he's the Air NZ guy".

quickymart:

 

I think Christopher Luxon needs to do a lot more before he could be a real threat to Judith Collins. At the moment he doesn't have a profile at all, apart from "he's the Air NZ guy".

 

He's a huge threat to Collins but definitely not John Key 2.0.

Keys background and personal narrative couldn't be more different to Luxon. Really the only things that they have in common is they are both guys who "did business." 

I'd class him much closer to Scott Morrison than Key.

quickymart:

 

I think Christopher Luxon needs to do a lot more before he could be a real threat to Judith Collins. At the moment he doesn't have a profile at all, apart from "he's the Air NZ guy".

 

And so much thought that being an evangelical Christian wasn't important, that he tried to pre-empt anyone paying attention to his true beliefs that he felt the need to bring the subject up  as a major part of his maiden speech in parliament.

I do not trust him.  Labelling yourself "evangelical" rings alarm bells, and none of the claims made about Christian morality seem to ring true when other leaders attribute their claimed principled views to belief in any mythical overlord.  To put it another way, none of what he said should have needed to be said.

Handle9:

 

quickymart:

 

I think Christopher Luxon needs to do a lot more before he could be a real threat to Judith Collins. At the moment he doesn't have a profile at all, apart from "he's the Air NZ guy".

 

 

He's a huge threat to Collins but definitely not John Key 2.0.

 

Keys background and personal narrative couldn't be more different to Luxon. Really the only things that they have in common is they are both guys who "did business." 

 

I'd class him much closer to Scott Morrison than Key.

 

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/18-05-2021/power-ranking-judith-collins-potential-replacements-as-national-leader/

"Most likely in a year: Christopher Luxon"