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#2784660 26-Sep-2021 19:50

It still boggles my mind that at the initial outbreak Ardern actually reacted slower than Donald Trump - closing the border to China nearly a week later. In any case it was too late for both countries by that time, and of course only one if those people is capable of learning from mistakes.

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#2784662 26-Sep-2021 19:53

Handle9:

Neither of them ever said "just open the borders."

Found it.

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/nz-should-open-borders-countries-covid-muller

Again, not verbatim but pretty close.

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#2784663 26-Sep-2021 19:57

quickymart:
Handle9:

Neither of them ever said "just open the borders."

Found it.

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/nz-should-open-borders-countries-covid-muller

Again, not verbatim but pretty close.

It’s not at all. You were implying something quite different to what he said.

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#2784703 26-Sep-2021 22:14

If you think so. It doesn't really matter, he's not the leader anymore, and he's on his way out anyway.

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#2785352 27-Sep-2021 22:34

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/1-news-colmar-brunton-poll-national-labour-down-judith-collins-crashes-to-5-as-preferred-pm/OGLMNXLJ7VSLO3WFPT6W4YIUFM/

National and Labour both down, but Judith just keeps on sinking.

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#2785399 28-Sep-2021 08:09

quickymart:

National and Labour both down, but Judith just keeps on sinking.

Oh wow, so the whole "Crusher" thing isn't about crushing opponents - its more of an inward crushing, like the black hole that spaghettifies the party.

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#2785576 28-Sep-2021 12:16

arcon: It still boggles my mind that at the initial outbreak Ardern actually reacted slower than Donald Trump - closing the border to China nearly a week later. In any case it was too late for both countries by that time, and of course only one if those people is capable of learning from mistakes.

If you want a real mind-melt, check out what Trump did to student loan repayments during their 2020 lockdowns.

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#2786214 29-Sep-2021 12:18

Could this save them?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/09/coronavirus-national-s-covid-19-plan-to-end-lockdowns-restart-international-travel.html

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#2786226 29-Sep-2021 12:44

quickymart:

Could this save them?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/09/coronavirus-national-s-covid-19-plan-to-end-lockdowns-restart-international-travel.html

"The party earlier said it had the plan peer-reviewed by experts, but on Wednesday wouldn't publicly say who they are as they're in "prominent positions" and don't want to be named."

🤣

I guess that could be a legit reason, but so could their experts not existing. And right under that there's a gigantic list of steps with zero cost allocations or timelines, some of which would be massive.

So in conclusion it could work for the typical voter who falls for politics where they promise the world with no details, but not nearly enough to save them IMO.

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#2786242 29-Sep-2021 13:18

Experts that don't want to be linked to a plan? Yeah, right.

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#2786259 29-Sep-2021 13:42

arcon:

So in conclusion it could work for the typical voter who falls for politics where they promise the world with no details, but not nearly enough to save them IMO.

Also could apply to the orange buffoon! :D

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#2786262 29-Sep-2021 13:43

freitasm:

Experts that don't want to be linked to a plan? Yeah, right.

Oh they're scared that the Government would "attack them" if they were identified. It's probably Cameron Slater anyway.

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#2786415 29-Sep-2021 16:02

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/09/covid-19-masks-travel-elimination-how-opening-up-would-look-under-national-and-act.html

ACT have weighed in as well.

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#2786581 29-Sep-2021 19:38

quickymart:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/09/covid-19-masks-travel-elimination-how-opening-up-would-look-under-national-and-act.html

ACT have weighed in as well.

Its quite simple. One side sees health and lives, the other sees economy. Hindsight is two years away. I wish (and I do) that there was an election this October. With all the whining, let the people decide. Its farcical.

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#2786760 30-Sep-2021 08:17

arcon:

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So in conclusion it could work for the typical voter who falls for politics where they promise the world with no details,

/snip

Doesn't that argument apply to pretty much every political party plan in history when trying to get elected?

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