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#2807877 5-Nov-2021 08:00

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/matthew-hooton-now-is-christopher-luxons-time-to-step-up/7AC4T6S523AKNGAQOL6K4EWYI4/ (paywalled)

Matthew Hooton thinks it's Christopher Luxon's time to step up - but I still don't know what, if anything, he has done in Parliament yet. Are they friends or something?

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#2807880 5-Nov-2021 08:08

quickymart:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/matthew-hooton-now-is-christopher-luxons-time-to-step-up/7AC4T6S523AKNGAQOL6K4EWYI4/ (paywalled)

Matthew Hooton thinks it's Christopher Luxon's time to step up - but I still don't know what, if anything, he has done in Parliament yet. Are they friends or something?

Clean slate and no baggage possibly?

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#2811089 11-Nov-2021 13:38

In September the gap between National/ACT vs Labour/Green was 19.2%. Last month it was 12.1%. The gap is now 5.8% according to Curia's latest poll.

National need to time their change in leader well. Right now the momentum is with the centre right and Judith bless her soul making way for.......could be just the bump they need.

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#2811107 11-Nov-2021 13:45

MileHighKiwi: In September the gap between National/ACT vs Labour/Green was 19.2%. Last month it was 12.1%. The gap is now 5.8% according to Curia's latest poll.

National need to time their change in leader well. Right now the momentum is with the centre right and Judith bless her soul making way for.......could be just the bump they need.

I think the momentum was on fixing Covid, so if you do (and its never been done) then you win, if you dont (which is where other countries have gone and we are as well) you lose. Its that simple. Add to that people are over lockdowns, so anything that allows free travel by the virus as well as the people will be voted for

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#2811164 11-Nov-2021 16:07

tdgeek:

MileHighKiwi: In September the gap between National/ACT vs Labour/Green was 19.2%. Last month it was 12.1%. The gap is now 5.8% according to Curia's latest poll.

National need to time their change in leader well. Right now the momentum is with the centre right and Judith bless her soul making way for.......could be just the bump they need.

I think the momentum was on fixing Covid, so if you do (and its never been done) then you win, if you dont (which is where other countries have gone and we are as well) you lose. Its that simple. Add to that people are over lockdowns, so anything that allows free travel by the virus as well as the people will be voted for

Add in Water also. Don't under estimate what effect that would have had.

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#2812283 13-Nov-2021 13:22

https://thespinoff.co.nz/books/10-11-2021/we-did-not-look-like-a-credible-alternative-judith-collins-on-the-2020-campaign/

I dunno about "getting up" - aren't their numbers dropping? I even read this morning that Simon Bridges could take over the reins again.

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#2818884 24-Nov-2021 21:57

One removed from the list of possible challengers?
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300462440/simon-bridges-demoted-by-judith-collins-over-alleged-historical-comments-to-a-female-colleague

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#2818909 24-Nov-2021 23:05

The circus is back in town.

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#2818951 25-Nov-2021 06:52

Stu: One removed from the list of possible challengers?
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300462440/simon-bridges-demoted-by-judith-collins-over-alleged-historical-comments-to-a-female-colleague

This is nothing do with inappropriate comments and everything to do with heading off a leadership challenge.

Expect fireworks today.

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#2818957 25-Nov-2021 07:20

What will happen now? They're going to implode?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/11/simon-bridges-demotion-national-party-mps-urgently-meet-following-judith-collins-bombshell-announcement.html

Could this be Simon Bridges V2.0?

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#2818960 25-Nov-2021 07:33

GV27:
Stu: One removed from the list of possible challengers?
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300462440/simon-bridges-demoted-by-judith-collins-over-alleged-historical-comments-to-a-female-colleague

This is nothing do with inappropriate comments and everything to do with heading off a leadership challenge.

Expect fireworks today.

Collins is burning the boats, the bridges and what’s left of nationals credibility. It’s bedtime here, I’ll be fascinated to see whats transpired when I wake up in the morning.

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#2818964 25-Nov-2021 07:48

GV27:

This is nothing do with inappropriate comments and everything to do with heading off a leadership challenge.

Truly despicable for Collins to dig up a harassment case for her own political gain. Its bizarre that she always seems to be the only one in the room who can't see how transparent she is, kinda like the church fiasco.

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#2818965 25-Nov-2021 07:53

Simon O’Connor has resigned from his portfolios and calling for Collins to resign. Get the popcorn out.

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#2818990 25-Nov-2021 09:06

I can't see her hanging on to the leadership, but I can't see who will replace her either, there is no win/win situation here.

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#2819017 25-Nov-2021 09:59

Their caucus meeting started at 9, I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall for that one.

What I don't get is Bridges has already apologised. Yes, he said something ridiculously stupid and offensive - but then-deputy leader Bill English spoke to Simon and he apologised. Also this was 5 years ago, did this MP re-complain or something?

I wonder if Judith is trying everything she can from her box of tricks to hang onto the leadership.

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