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#2822106 30-Nov-2021 20:50

Frankly National is desparate after the events since English resigned. From a party with depth related to a caucus of 55 they have sunk to a party of rotating former leaders with the latest being a new MP as of the last election. When Helen Clark resigned Labour never sank to a leader of such inexperience, having said that Jacinda Ardern has never actually been elected by the party as Labour leader.

Interesting times indeed. There must be a good reason why Simon Bridges has abandoned his ambition to be leader again.

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#2822120 30-Nov-2021 21:08

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Interesting times indeed. There must be a good reason why Simon Bridges has abandoned his ambition to be leader again.

Got support and probably goodd support but not enough. Side A vs Side B

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#2822126 30-Nov-2021 21:17

That does not explain Bridges endorsement of Luxon though.

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#2822142 30-Nov-2021 21:41

Maybe Simon was offered a good position in his new cabinet and was happy with it.

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#2822157 30-Nov-2021 22:15

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That does not explain Bridges endorsement of Luxon though.

For all his faults Bridges can count to 17. If he was losing anyway why would he fight and put himself in an even worse position?

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#2822326 1-Dec-2021 09:55

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/12/christopher-luxon-rules-out-changing-abortion-laws-if-he-becomes-prime-minister.html

So far Luxon is saying some pretty sensible things that should give some people reassurance that his religious beliefs may not have as profound impact on his politics as some had feared it might.

Early days yet, but encouraging signs maybe.

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#2822338 1-Dec-2021 10:19

That is good, yes, I agree. But let's see how he does on the likes of Q+A, etc. He's probably going to get some pretty tough questions thrown his way to answer.

It looks like Todd Muller won't be retiring now either.

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#2822517 1-Dec-2021 12:37

quickymart:

That is good, yes, I agree. But let's see how he does on the likes of Q+A, etc. He's probably going to get some pretty tough questions thrown his way to answer.

It looks like Todd Muller won't be retiring now either.

Yes. He is saying the right things, and while thats only talk right now, its a level headedness thats been missing for years

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#2822653 1-Dec-2021 16:10

I see the press are trying their best to show Luxon in a positive light ROFL. Trying to make him out the bad guy for his property portfolio and twisting some of what he said.

The left lean in the mainstream media is pretty overwhelming at the moment.

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#2822655 1-Dec-2021 16:13

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quickymart:

That is good, yes, I agree. But let's see how he does on the likes of Q+A, etc. He's probably going to get some pretty tough questions thrown his way to answer.

It looks like Todd Muller won't be retiring now either.

Yes. He is saying the right things, and while thats only talk right now, its a level headedness thats been missing for years

Well, to be fair, none of the leaders of National were given much of a chance by the public but especially the Media, happy to blame them for everything wrong in the world, despite the fact very little of it was fixed by Labour Et al (and plenty is actually worse).

It wouldn't have mattered one Iota what Collins had said, or how she said it, she was doomed from the start.

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#2822663 1-Dec-2021 16:34

networkn:
I see the press are trying their best to show Luxon in a positive light ROFL. Trying to make him out the bad guy for his property portfolio and twisting some of what he said.

The left lean in the mainstream media is pretty overwhelming at the moment.

Yeah ZB and the herald are a bunch of pinkos.

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#2822665 1-Dec-2021 16:42

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tdgeek:

Yes. He is saying the right things, and while thats only talk right now, its a level headedness thats been missing for years

Well, to be fair, none of the leaders of National were given much of a chance by the public but especially the Media, happy to blame them for everything wrong in the world, despite the fact very little of it was fixed by Labour Et al (and plenty is actually worse).

It wouldn't have mattered one Iota what Collins had said, or how she said it, she was doomed from the start.

You sound exactly like a Labour supporter between 2008-2017. It was nationals incompetence that caused their collapse. Getting 25% of the vote is usually a pretty good sign you aren’t good at your job.

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#2822699 1-Dec-2021 18:41

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It wouldn't have mattered one Iota what Collins had said, or how she said it, she was doomed from the start.

The party wasn't going to win but Judith Collins is 100% responsible for embarrassing the party and exposing herself as a trashy dinosaur of a politician. 31%, border conspiracy, rent-a-crowd, phony church photoshoot.... whoopsie, 25% result.

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#2822712 1-Dec-2021 19:25

networkn:

Well, to be fair, none of the leaders of National were given much of a chance by the public but especially the Media, happy to blame them for everything wrong in the world, despite the fact very little of it was fixed by Labour Et al (and plenty is actually worse).

It wouldn't have mattered one Iota what Collins had said, or how she said it, she was doomed from the start.

Thats a bit slanted. Collins, Simon, Todd, there is plenty to tar them,( although I believe Todd was stuck in a hard place, and the mental heath was very sad and unfortunate)

Im not sure all the media is left as you imply, more like reporting failures which they do very well for both parties.

I think you need to focus less on the media and more on the performance.

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#2822858 2-Dec-2021 07:37

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You sound exactly like a Labour supporter between 2008-2017. It was nationals incompetence that caused their collapse. Getting 25% of the vote is usually a pretty good sign you aren’t good at your job.

You're pulling yourself if you think the National Party is getting an easy ride from the media. They're getting more scrutiny than the government that has walked away from literally every flagship campaign promise they made.

Look at Stuff.co.nz right now - this is the lead story:

Luxon's property gains up $4.3m as National vows to tackle housing

Remind me, which party has been in power for four years now and is actually answerable for house prices increasing 40% in 12 months? Not the one you're seeing that headline about.

I won't pretend like National hasn't been a disaster from the second Bill English walked away from it, but this kind of attempt to tar the new leader of the opposition the second day after he takes office for something the government has failed to do something about is pretty transparent.

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