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#2822925 2-Dec-2021 09:00

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When does Luxon release his cabinet placing/lineup? Does Simon Bridges get Finance? What will Luxon do with Collins? Will Muller still be retiring in 2023?
So many questions.

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#2822926 2-Dec-2021 09:01

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Again, not really anything to do with the point I'm making. Which is that National Party leaders have immediately faced more scrutiny than the current ministers who are failing in almost every area they campaigned on.

Look at the huge flap made over Muller's hat. It was a hat.

And it's Stanford, by the way. And again, more scrutiny of Luxon than the things Stanford and Bishop have been talking about.

I don't have a problem with the media holding a spotlight on National as it implodes, and that's a natural consequence of it, but at some point the policy failures of the actual, in-power Government are worth talking about with more urgency.

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#2822981 2-Dec-2021 09:09

quickymart:

When does Luxon release his cabinet placing/lineup? Does Simon Bridges get Finance? What will Luxon do with Collins? Will Muller still be retiring in 2023?
So many questions.

He has stated that the former leaders will be forefront in that respect (my words not his quote)

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#2822984 2-Dec-2021 09:14

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When opposition MPs have done good work the media has covered it. Stanton and Willis have been particularly effective and gotten some very good press. Bishop was kneecapped by Collins chasing passing cars on a fair bit of the Covid stuff but has still been effective and generating media interest.

Again, not really anything to do with the point I'm making. Which is that National Party leaders have immediately faced more scrutiny than the current ministers who are failing in almost every area they campaigned on.

Look at the huge flap made over Muller's hat. It was a hat.

And it's Stanford, by the way. And again, more scrutiny of Luxon than the things Stanford and Bishop have been talking about.

I don't have a problem with the media holding a spotlight on National as it implodes, and that's a natural consequence of it, but at some point the policy failures of the actual, in-power Government are worth talking about with more urgency.

Which is the exact same complaint Labour supporters had over the Key government. They were far to busy committing ritual disembowelment of each other to notice the media cover what is being promoted. Once Labour sorted out their disciplinary problems and got a leader that people could relate to their issues got a lot more coverage.

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#2822994 2-Dec-2021 09:47

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You sound exactly like a Labour supporter between 2008-2017. It was nationals incompetence that caused their collapse. Getting 25% of the vote is usually a pretty good sign you aren’t good at your job.

Heh, that makes for pretty simplistic reasoning for the election result. It was quite a lot more complex than that. No doubt National played their part in their result though, no argument.

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#2822996 2-Dec-2021 09:49

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Which is the exact same complaint Labour supporters had over the Key government. They were far to busy committing ritual disembowelment of each other to notice the media cover what is being promoted. Once Labour sorted out their disciplinary problems and got a leader that people could relate to their issues got a lot more coverage.

There's a huge difference between an internal knifing of a new leader from an embittered divided caucus and a hit piece on a major daily website about how much someone's investment properties have gone up in value by on day two of them assuming the role, sorry. One is clearly an example of partisan press and the other is just politics.

If the media want to be journalists, they need to save some of this scrutiny for the actual government causing the problem, and not keeping it aside it for knee-capping new National Party leaders.

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#2823004 2-Dec-2021 09:58

I have seen hit pieces on Jacinda Ardern for ever having been 'president of the International Union of Socialist Youth' (as if that means something). There is nothing unusual about media treatment of Luxon. It goes with the territory.

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#2823006 2-Dec-2021 10:05

Rikkitic:

I have seen hit pieces on Jacinda Ardern for ever having been 'president of the International Union of Socialist Youth' (as if that means something). There is nothing unusual about media treatment of Luxon. It goes with the territory.

The current government has overseen a 40% increase in house prices in 12 months but Luxon is getting negative headlines for his houses going up in value. People need to stop and think about how this convenient level of accountability stops suddenly at the National Party leadership even though they're in opposition.

Ardern being president of ISUY was a footnote and mattered to literally zero people outside the beltway. The Luxon headline is partisan press, nothing more.

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#2823058 2-Dec-2021 10:18

The government is constantly and rightly being hammered over inconsistencies and gaps in Covid policy. Have you ever watched one of the press conferences? I agree it is silly to try to score points from Luxon's property gains. I do not agree that his media treatment is any different.

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#2823060 2-Dec-2021 10:26

Rikkitic:

The government is constantly and rightly being hammered over inconsistencies and gaps in Covid policy. Have you ever watched one of the press conferences? I agree it is silly to try to score points from Luxon's property gains. I do not agree that his media treatment is any different.

ROFL you are kidding right? Mullers hat was front-page news for a week, but the MOH admitting they hadn't prepared properly for home isolation and hadn't been contacting people or escalating when they couldn't reach people, which was a major contributor to their deaths got one article that was gone from the front page a few hours later.

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#2823066 2-Dec-2021 10:34

Rikkitic:

The government is constantly and rightly being hammered over inconsistencies and gaps in Covid policy. Have you ever watched one of the press conferences? I agree it is silly to try to score points from Luxon's property gains. I do not agree that his media treatment is any different.

I don't see 1pm updates as I'm at work, but that's probably more a consequence of the four or so independent reports they've received begging for changes with varying degrees of changes resulting, often none.

I feel like this kind of scrutiny on Day Two/Three of someone's leadership is meaningfully different to ongoing issues in our pandemic response. The two are not comparable.

In the mix we've lost some actual core accountability - in that National look likely to walk back on Willis' bi-partisan housing reform support changes.

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#2823080 2-Dec-2021 10:53

Right-wingers always seem to think they are being unfairly attacked by liberal media. It is kind of like a persecution complex. There are serious, responsible media and there are the rest. You don't have to listen to the ones that shout loudest.

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#2823102 2-Dec-2021 11:00

Rikkitic:

Right-wingers always seem to think they are being unfairly attacked by liberal media. It is kind of like a persecution complex. There are serious, responsible media and there are the rest. You don't have to listen to the ones that shout loudest.

ROFL. It's kinda funny you think it's limited to right-wingers only.

Luxon was on Millions per year and amassed a property portfolio, and apparently, his property has gained massive value in the past year or so (Wondering how he is supposed to be held responsible for that but still seems to be). I recall someone saying they would fix that or something along those lines, yet no mention of that in the article. Responsible media would be focused on that aspect primarily.

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#2823115 2-Dec-2021 11:24

Rikkitic:

Right-wingers always seem to think they are being unfairly attacked by liberal media. It is kind of like a persecution complex.

This is a lazy argument with no actual substance, but sure.

I find more commonly, people are more likely to defend media outlets that spoonfeed people a bias that they agree with as a source of information that is balanced.

The reality is most people would accept that the Herald leans right, 1ZB and most talkback more so, while the state broadcasters and Stuff/Dom Post/The Press lean left to varying degrees.

FYI: I'd struggle to describe myself as right of centre at all.

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#2823117 2-Dec-2021 11:35

There is no left-wing equivalent to Fox News. Sure, there are media with a left bias, but nothing that systematically employs propaganda techniques, screaming, disinformation, flat-out lying, manipulation, bullshit, shameless revisionism, and every dishonest tactic they can come up with to try to serve their particularly nasty agenda. No, Fox News does not exist in New Zealand the way it does in America, but that does not mean it can't also happen here. Those who think the right is being disadvantaged need to broaden their horizons. Someone somewhere observed that truth always has a left-wing bias, and there is some substance to that.

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