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#2823192 2-Dec-2021 12:29

Rikkitic:

Those who think the right is being disadvantaged need to broaden their horizons. Someone somewhere observed that truth always has a left-wing bias, and there is some substance to that.

These are great slogans, but not actually addressing the point. Unless you're suggesting that no media outlet in NZ has a left-wing bias, which is just patently absurd. Again, most rational and sensible people would accept it exists, because it's naive to think it doesn't, and an exercise in personal convenience to pretend it doesn't go both ways.

But let me know when RNZ muster the same level of scorn for Labour as they did for National over social and housing issues on Checkpoint - you know, when house prices where 50% lower and the housing waitlist was a third as long. You can be incredibly selective about 'the truth' if you ignore the bits you don't like.

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#2823206 2-Dec-2021 12:50

I don't think I ever suggested there is no left-wing bias in NZ media. I certainly didn't intend to. What I am saying is there are some media that favour the left politically and some that favour the right. Some will look to portray one side in a favourable light, some the other. I don't think there is anything exceptional about this and I don't think the 'new guy' is being picked on in any way that differs from his predecessors regardless of political slant. Both sides do the same things in the same way. One might wish we had better media here but I don't really think it is a left-right thing.

You seem to be mainly focusing on RNZ. For what it's worth, I think the quality of their reporting has gone way down, and I have said that here more than once. I'm not sure I would say they are becoming partisan as such, but the long drawn out reform process involving RNZ and TV One does seem to be having a politicising effect on them and this is reflected in their articles.

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#2823210 2-Dec-2021 12:56

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But let me know when RNZ muster the same level of scorn for Labour as they did for National over social and housing issues on Checkpoint - you know, when house prices where 50% lower and the housing waitlist was a third as long. You can be incredibly selective about 'the truth' if you ignore the bits you don't like.

It's absolutely unbelievable to me that Kiwibuild did not result in heads rolling. (don't even get me started on why the most transparent Govt ever STILL hasn't released the costs) Where was the criticism of Arden's leadership that she allowed Twyford to continue as minister of housing and transport when he kept standing up to the press denying the targets weren't nonsense and they were still on target to deliver as originally promised long after any rational human could see it was impossible? But hey, own a Maga hat get 6 days of the continuous critical press.

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#2823248 2-Dec-2021 14:35

Rikkitic:

You seem to be mainly focusing on RNZ. For what it's worth, I think the quality of their reporting has gone way down, and I have said that here more than once. I'm not sure I would say they are becoming partisan as such, but the long drawn out reform process involving RNZ and TV One does seem to be having a politicising effect on them and this is reflected in their articles.

I'm not, but I can understand why others might - taxpayer funded broadcasters applying more heat to the opposition that government is a pretty crappy outcome, but having said that, almost all our major media outlets have been bailed out at one stage or another now, so I'm not sure where that argument starts or ends anymore!

In any case, National should probably be planning for it and factoring it into their media training, and having your new leader go on record as saying 'well abortion is probably like murder, yea' is not exactly heralding the charge to the centre that most people probably were hoping for. On those actual things (also see watered down housing reforms) I want to hear more about media scrutiny, not "man has house, house goes up in value, how dare he" pieces that add little to the discourse other than placing the accountability for it on the wrong side of the House.

Feels like we probably all lose when the media goes in on this garbage, Muller's hat being a prime example of something that was so pathetic but generated days of negative media press for something that I think most of us would accept as being pretty trivial now. But at the time there was no bigger story. "Man owns hat".... I mean come on.

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#2823283 2-Dec-2021 15:09

When I first immigrated here from Europe, I was (don't know the word, something between shocked and surprised) to discover how commercialised the media were. These days, on-line 'news' media seem to be driven by clicks. As long as the hat gets clicks, it will stay in the news. Blame the media, but also blame those who click. As long as people keep stuffing themselves with fast facts, their diet is not going to improve.

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#2823318 2-Dec-2021 16:09

tdgeek:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/300467522/the-national-party-opted-for-predictable-christopher-luxon-over-changemaker-shane-reti

Interesting read and makes a lot of sense. Short story is that Reti is too smart, has too much real world knowledge of Kiwi's, wants to get work done, and is too nice. They say that political parties are defined by the leader. If so, Reti would probably have gained votes just by being chosen, as he is relatable to most Kiwi's.

Reti's handling of the Collins departure press conference was flawless 100% on the mark.

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#2823331 2-Dec-2021 16:43

I think the media organisations worldwide are a lot of the time a slave to advertising, more so now than say 20 years ago when subscriptions were still the norm.

As long as they are relying on clicks whatever is going to keep their target audience happy is what is going to be pushed.

I’m really concerned that we are just heading down the path the US has been on for the last 5 years where the bitter division in politics and public appears almost irreparable and the news media over there certainly have been a big part of that.

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#2823342 2-Dec-2021 17:23

Good Grief...

Yet another balanced and quality NZHerald headline/article today : christopher-luxons-houses-earned-him-15-times-what-he-will-get-as-national-party-leader

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#2823355 2-Dec-2021 17:56

Yeah. Seems pretty gratuitous to me.

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#2823379 2-Dec-2021 19:21

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Good Grief...

Yet another balanced and quality NZHerald headline/article today : christopher-luxons-houses-earned-him-15-times-what-he-will-get-as-national-party-leader

So Luxon talks about how New Zealanders should invest in productivity but invests in housing. Now you complain about it being reported. I'd suggest you read this and apply it in the same way.

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#2823381 2-Dec-2021 19:24

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You sound exactly like a Labour supporter between 2008-2017. It was nationals incompetence that caused their collapse. Getting 25% of the vote is usually a pretty good sign you aren’t good at your job.

Heh, that makes for pretty simplistic reasoning for the election result. It was quite a lot more complex than that. No doubt National played their part in their result though, no argument.

I didn't say it affected the election result I referred to nationals implosion. That was self inflicted.

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#2823384 2-Dec-2021 19:32

networkn: Good Grief...yet another balanced and quality NZHerald headline/article today : christopher-luxons-houses-earned-him-15-times-what-he-will-get-as-national-party-leader

I'm not sure why anyone would be offended by this reporting. How would you suggest the reporter add balance in the article in this case?

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#2823386 2-Dec-2021 19:37

"Luxon rents the apartment to himself, using the taxpayer-funded accommodation subsidy."

(As per the posted article)

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#2823391 2-Dec-2021 19:42

tdgeek:
"Luxon rents the apartment to himself, using the taxpayer-funded accommodation subsidy."

(As per the posted article)

There’s nothing unusual, or particularly unreasonable about that. He’s not from Wellington so needs accomodation to do his job. It’s totally reasonable for that to be paid for by his employer.

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#2823393 2-Dec-2021 19:45

Handle9:
tdgeek:

"Luxon rents the apartment to himself, using the taxpayer-funded accommodation subsidy."

(As per the posted article)

There’s nothing unusual, or particularly unreasonable about that. He’s not from Wellington so needs accomodation to do his job. It’s totally reasonable for that to be paid for by his employer.

100%, hence I didn't comment, I just thought it was ironic, given posts about his properties.

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