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#2909814 3-May-2022 17:48

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/simon-wilson-what-were-getting-wrong-about-christopher-luxon/2OVEDSQ4QV755CHWWI2SDBPUDM/ (paywalled)
Simon Wilson looks at Luxon's habit of making gaffes and then trying to laugh them off as "jokes" when they aren't really jokes or even amusing (ie, the getting rid of Labour Day thing), as well as his 0 interest in climate change.

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#2909838 3-May-2022 20:22

Our National leader would be an embarrassment as a Leader for the country. Being so fast and smooth talker he would be so much better as a care sales yard foreman. When the hard questions are coming he seems to find the "backdoor" rather quickly.

Promoting tax cuts like is predecessor John and then lift the GST or he might do it better and way quieter. Just not spend money on infrastructure like hospitals and schools as there are more and more private hospitals for his mates and the same possibly with charter schools, a few more schools for them and not worry about the rest. After all he has been looking towards the USA(make America great agan)

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#2909993 4-May-2022 10:03

I think it's interesting National are polling so well - they don't have strong policy, and I don't think Luxon is a strong leader, but it would appear 40.5% of NZ disagree with me.

That said, I wonder how much of that is positive sentiment towards National, how much is just frustration with the current state of things right now, how much is genuine dislike of Labour's policies, and how much is just National's base going home.

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#2909998 4-May-2022 10:17

antonknee:

That said, I wonder how much of that is positive sentiment towards National, how much is just frustration with the current state of things right now, how much is genuine dislike of Labour's policies, and how much is just National's base going home.

I think a lot of it is just impatience with the way things are and vague hope that something else might make them better. The current lot isn't working out so let's try a different one.

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#2910001 4-May-2022 10:24

Rikkitic:

antonknee:

That said, I wonder how much of that is positive sentiment towards National, how much is just frustration with the current state of things right now, how much is genuine dislike of Labour's policies, and how much is just National's base going home.

I think a lot of it is just impatience with the way things are and vague hope that something else might make them better. The current lot isn't working out so let's try a different one.

Yep

Kiwis are fighting headwinds. Try another solution. Same happens with multi term Governments, and when they are seen to be ineffective we move to another multi term Government. Unfortunately we dont have minefields of money under the ground, so its tough financially to keep everyone happy, try your best, people want more, out you go, rinse and repeat

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#2910269 4-May-2022 21:32

antonknee:

Kiwis are fighting headwinds. Try another solution. Same happens with multi term Governments, and when they are seen to be ineffective we move to another multi term Government. Unfortunately we dont have minefields of money under the ground, so its tough financially to keep everyone happy, try your best, people want more, out you go, rinse and repeat

A lot of the time I hear the government should support this and that from all sorts of corners. Unfortunately it ain't working like that without us helping to fill the purse. And by the way, the public pays, not the government. The rich are keen to keep the trickle down system.
The nats were crying out the public should support businesses during COVID, not people as much. What do you think they will do when they are there on our behalf?
Look after themselves and business mates😧

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#2910391 5-May-2022 08:09

Noig:

antonknee:

Kiwis are fighting headwinds. Try another solution. Same happens with multi term Governments, and when they are seen to be ineffective we move to another multi term Government. Unfortunately we dont have minefields of money under the ground, so its tough financially to keep everyone happy, try your best, people want more, out you go, rinse and repeat

A lot of the time I hear the government should support this and that from all sorts of corners. Unfortunately it ain't working like that without us helping to fill the purse. And by the way, the public pays, not the government. The rich are keen to keep the trickle down system.
The nats were crying out the public should support businesses during COVID, not people as much. What do you think they will do when they are there on our behalf?
Look after themselves and business mates😧

Remind me again, where does employment come from?

"Business mates" rarely are sole proprietors, they create jobs from which all society benefits. Sure, there are a few exceptions of greedy tax avoiding entrepreneurs, just like there are examples of lazy no hope dole bludgers, both are just as bad for society, but it seems perfectly acceptable to bash "rich mates" but not so much those at the other end and yet both are just as bad for society as the other.

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#2910399 5-May-2022 08:55

A government getting dumped without reaching a third term would be a big deal in NZ. But I suspect polling reflects frustration of watching NZ's living standards continue to slide while successive governments of all stripes make explicit promises to do something about it, only to end up pursuing other ideological aims that have the opposite effect.

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#2910400 5-May-2022 08:58

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/christopher-luxons-big-white-problem

Some commentary on how Bridges leaving National may mean Luxon has a diversity issue in his caucus (which I recall Judith having the same issue as well).

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#2910402 5-May-2022 09:07

quickymart:

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/christopher-luxons-big-white-problem

Some commentary on how Bridges leaving National may mean Luxon has a diversity issue in his caucus (which I recall Judith having the same issue as well).

I don't recall National getting a huge amount of credit for having a Maori leader when Bridges was in charge, so holding the lack of diversity against them now is a little transparent.

As pointed out previously, parties often suffer from diversity issues following a stonking drubbing at an election. The list is how this stuff is addressed and if you don't get many list MPs, you tend to lose bigger chunks of diversity.

The Greens, for instance, have a huge over-representation of female MPs compared to male ones, and recently changed their own leadership structure specifically so they could have two women in leadership positions and possibly no men at all. But what do we hear in the article?

It also comes at the same time the direct competition, Labour, has more diversity in its caucus than ever before, and the Greens have adopted a new co-leadership model that ensures one of its leaders is Māori.

So yea, it seems like diversity is an issue in NZ only as far as you need it to be politically convenient, otherwise it doesn't actually matter that much at all.

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#2910414 5-May-2022 09:29

And that ofcourse plays into the hands of identity politics, if you don't look like something, you can't possibly have a valid viewpoint on it.

Diversity for diversity's sake is a disaster waiting to happen and you end up with people over their heads dealing with issues they simply aren't qualified to handle. That applies in all areas of life, not just politics

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#2910425 5-May-2022 09:57

Noig:

A lot of the time I hear the government should support this and that from all sorts of corners. Unfortunately it ain't working like that without us helping to fill the purse. And by the way, the public pays, not the government. The rich are keen to keep the trickle down system.
The nats were crying out the public should support businesses during COVID, not people as much. What do you think they will do when they are there on our behalf?
Look after themselves and business mates😧

Funnily enough as a small business owner i would know exactly how much government support we got through covid.

F all.

Until the last round of lockdowns for Auckland business owner could claim one thing, wage support for their employees, nothing else, all other bills still had to come out of a business that was effectively closed and there was an expectation that employees would get topped up in their wages.

All money going out and none coming in.

In case you dont realise, if businesses fail, jobs are lost, so yes, it is prudent to keep companies afloat.

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#2910426 5-May-2022 10:01

sen8or:

And that ofcourse plays into the hands of identity politics, if you don't look like something, you can't possibly have a valid viewpoint on it.

Diversity for diversity's sake is a disaster waiting to happen and you end up with people over their heads dealing with issues they simply aren't qualified to handle. That applies in all areas of life, not just politics

This argument veers close to fake news in the sense that it skirts around the real issue. The reason there are quotas is because they are an attempt to correct historical injustice. This is not unique to New Zealand. If you have a minority group in society that gets systematically disadvantaged by the majority over a period of time, it is not surprising if that group produces fewer individuals qualified to assume leadership positions. It is then more than a bit rich to say there is equality of opportunity but no qualified people from that group. In order to achieve true equality of opportunity, that group may need some extra support to even things out. How is anyone supposed to acquire experience if they are never given the opportunity in the first place?

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#2910435 5-May-2022 10:06

sen8or:

And that ofcourse plays into the hands of identity politics, if you don't look like something, you can't possibly have a valid viewpoint on it.

LOL no the idea behind more diversity is nothing to do with what you look like it's to do with your experiences. If you have a group of people who were all raised to be, say, middle aged white men, then they all tend to think like middle aged white men and come up with the same ideas as middle aged white men and have the same views on things as middle aged white men.

Whereas if some of that group are women or maori or , even maori women ( yes I know !!) they will have lived different lives and correspondingly have different views on what problems need to be solved and how to do so.

Someone may be, say, a middle aged white men and know that they need to look out for the interests of other groups, say women, but they don't have the same viewpoint on all the little things needed to actually do so.

Furthermore, if all your team members think the same way, they all tend to come up with the same answers to problems. This is why diversity is increasingly favoured in management - to increase the range of ideas and solutions a team comes up with.

Unfortunately, some organisations are left behind.

Look at the board members of the NZ initiative for example. Warning: contains graphic images of bald white men.

https://www.nzinitiative.org.nz/about-us/board/

Diversity in leadership is not a threat to you, it's an advantage you might be missing out on.

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#2910521 5-May-2022 11:31

Diversity is a difficult area. You have to tread a fine line between that and ability.

If I was creating a team to design a nuclear power plant I wouldn't include people who just use electricity.

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