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#2940768 11-Jul-2022 17:08

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I think you'll find the vast majority of farmers for example care more for sustainability than an urbanite with their flat white.

While I feel this is a bit lazy as a stereotype, the majority of urban voters would struggle to tell you what the word riparian actually means, or appreciate the huge subsidies our farmers are effectively competing against, on multiple fronts (think food miles as the worst incarnation of this sort of bastardry). It's a lot easier to repeat slogans like 'farmers are killing our waterways' than have an actual grasp of the problem. So I guess if you're a Green it comes down to: are you more likely to just keep repeating the slogan forever, or are you going to advocate for ways to involve the farming community in waterways improvements beyond telling them to shoot all their cows?

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#2940769 11-Jul-2022 17:10

Yep, let's drill more oil and mine more coal so we can pay for the damage of drilling oil and mining coal. That sounds like National, all right.

In the meantime, has anyone happened to notice the weird weather patterns this year? Drought, fire, flood, tornadoes. It is positively biblical. Pretty soon they will be selling gondola cruises down the streets of Sydney.

All of this is exactly as predicted by the climate boffins a few years ago. Except it is happening several decades sooner than predicted.

And don't forget dengue creeping south and our own ongoing cluster fly plague. Now for the locusts and blood rain.

In the meantime, let's breed more cows and milk them for all we can get. We're gonna need lots more money to clean up our dying waterways.

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#2941423 13-Jul-2022 12:10

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Yep, let's drill more oil and mine more coal so we can pay for the damage of drilling oil and mining coal. That sounds like National, all right.

In the meantime, has anyone happened to notice the weird weather patterns this year? Drought, fire, flood, tornadoes. It is positively biblical. Pretty soon they will be selling gondola cruises down the streets of Sydney.

All of this is exactly as predicted by the climate boffins a few years ago. Except it is happening several decades sooner than predicted.

And don't forget dengue creeping south and our own ongoing cluster fly plague. Now for the locusts and blood rain.

In the meantime, let's breed more cows and milk them for all we can get. We're gonna need lots more money to clean up our dying waterways.

Such tired old cliches.

If you are so worried about the environment, where is your outrage at the huge amount of single-use plastic being used to keep the single biggest cause of climate change (humans) alive in this pandemic?

Find me a waterway, drain or gutter where people are nearby you won't find disposable masks etc.

But hey, keep banging on about the farmers, many of whom are trying to make positive changes inline or in excess of current recommendations.

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#2941424 13-Jul-2022 12:19

Rikkitic:

Yep, let's drill more oil and mine more coal so we can pay for the damage of drilling oil and mining coal. That sounds like National, all right.

In the meantime, has anyone happened to notice the weird weather patterns this year? Drought, fire, flood, tornadoes. It is positively biblical. Pretty soon they will be selling gondola cruises down the streets of Sydney.

All of this is exactly as predicted by the climate boffins a few years ago. Except it is happening several decades sooner than predicted.

And don't forget dengue creeping south and our own ongoing cluster fly plague. Now for the locusts and blood rain.

In the meantime, let's breed more cows and milk them for all we can get. We're gonna need lots more money to clean up our dying waterways.

How many predictions and models did the climate boffins create to match one with what is happening now?

Whats the saying, even a broken watch is right twice a day..............

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#2941485 13-Jul-2022 13:31

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Such tired old cliches.

If you are so worried about the environment, where is your outrage at the huge amount of single-use plastic being used to keep the single biggest cause of climate change (humans) alive in this pandemic?

Find me a waterway, drain or gutter where people are nearby you won't find disposable masks etc.

But hey, keep banging on about the farmers, many of whom are trying to make positive changes inline or in excess of current recommendations.

If you are tired of old clichés try putting a muzzle on Luxon's 'Labour addicted to spending' blather.

Why do you think I am not outraged by irresponsible behaviour? Some people are absolute pigs, and that is an insult to pigs.

I don't have a problem with farmers trying to do their best to mitigate issues arising from farming. Turning agricultural emissions around is a slow and difficult process. I don't think the cows and other livestock we already have should be culled. I do think the herds should not be allowed to grow in size.

I don't like National politics because I think they prioritise the wrong things. They seem to lack vision and can only think in terms of more roads and more cows. National's soul raison d'être seems to be to undo whatever Labour has done. Beyond that they have no ideas.

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#2941486 13-Jul-2022 13:34

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How many predictions and models did the climate boffins create to match one with what is happening now?

Whats the saying, even a broken watch is right twice a day..............

I seem to recall predictions of bigger and badder storms, widespread flooding and heat waves, except those weren't supposed to happen until around 2050 or so.

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#2941542 13-Jul-2022 15:53

The climate scientists run a huge range of models all the time, with different input parameters, adjusting to new data coming in, different scenarios (global emissions reductions or increases) etc. They always present their results showing the range of outcomes and the predicted probability of each outcome. To throw out the question "How many predictions and models did the climate boffins create to match one with what is happening now?" shows a complete lack of understanding of the process and just trying to make a statement without substance. All in all the scientists models have mostly been consistent with increased storm events, increased extreme weather events etc the one thing most were wrong about seems to be timelines, with most models predicting it to start to bite in the 2050s, only the most extreme of the models predicted it in the 2020s.

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#2941580 13-Jul-2022 18:14

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The climate scientists run a huge range of models all the time, with different input parameters, adjusting to new data coming in, different scenarios (global emissions reductions or increases) etc. They always present their results showing the range of outcomes and the predicted probability of each outcome. To throw out the question "How many predictions and models did the climate boffins create to match one with what is happening now?" shows a complete lack of understanding of the process and just trying to make a statement without substance. All in all the scientists models have mostly been consistent with increased storm events, increased extreme weather events etc the one thing most were wrong about seems to be timelines, with most models predicting it to start to bite in the 2050s, only the most extreme of the models predicted it in the 2020s.

Agree. The factors that can cause these extreme events feed on each other. When ice melts, a few things happen. Less reflection of solar rays, so more heat. More heat means more melting = more heat = more melting. When cold waters vs warm waters are comprised, we get a closer mix of waters, very cold vs a bit warm, then we get not that cold vs warm. Less temperature flow affects the movement of water and nutrients. The Great Water something, forget what its called. The extreme is no water flow and stagnant water. Earth needs water flow to provide oxygen and nutrient flow, this vastly affects weather as the warmer water affects weather. Assume water flow declines, oxygen declines, nutrients declines, then marine life die which exacerbates the problem. Like melting ice it feeds upon itself.

But I'll just buy a bigger heat pump, bigger gutters.... typical human reaction.....

But what I hate to the extreme is that NZ is so small we don't matter. The fact is all 7 billion matter, whether its one Kiwi or one American, one Chinese, we all contribute.

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#2941693 14-Jul-2022 08:04

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But what I hate to the extreme is that NZ is so small we don't matter. The fact is all 7 billion matter, whether its one Kiwi or one American, one Chinese, we all contribute.

We all matter for sure, but even though NZ does very well in contributing to slow climate change you only need to look at countries like the USA who really seem to not give a rats about it. Not trying to be negative but 5 Million kiwis trying their best is no match for hundreds of millions of people who don't try at all.

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#2941694 14-Jul-2022 08:11

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We all matter for sure, but even though NZ does very well in contributing to slow climate change you only need to look at countries like the USA who really seem to not give a rats about it. Not trying to be negative but 5 Million kiwis trying their best is no match for hundreds of millions of people who don't try at all.

Do we do that well? Maybe we think we do perhaps. I'm sure there is far more solar or EV per capita elsewhere to be honest. More windmills too

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#2941695 14-Jul-2022 08:21

I'm the first to admit my c in 4th form science in no way qualifies me to understand the scientists or the science behind climate change, but the issues I have is that it has become political and it has become political because it is monetized by Governments. As soon as you start inventing taxes and levies "to combat climate change", there is the perception that the problem is being oversold to justify said taxes.

Climate change is big business, but unlike big pharma, big oil, big banking, etc, big climate change has almost unlimited protection from being questioned.

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#2942465 15-Jul-2022 22:23

Luxon (and National's) support have both dropped off a bit after their handling of the US overturning the abortion laws: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/christopher-luxon-support-plummets-after-abortion-comments-new-poll/QIPKWYEIKSILKDZAQXIRVHCVUY/

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#2947264 28-Jul-2022 10:58

It's frustrating to watch National own goal so frequently. There is so much for them to be able to dismantle currently in terms of being in opposition, yet the focus remains on them, for the wrong reasons.

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#2947272 28-Jul-2022 11:13

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It's frustrating to watch National own goal so frequently. There is so much for them to be able to dismantle currently in terms of being in opposition, yet the focus remains on them, for the wrong reasons.

Although I don't agree with a lot of your Labour bashing, I do agree that they have also scored plenty of own goals. I wish they were better. I wish the opposition was better. I wish we had better government in the largest sense of the word in this country. But unfortunately we don't, so I will continue to place my bets on the least worst option.

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#2947273 28-Jul-2022 11:14

Rikkitic:

Although I don't agree with a lot of your Labour bashing, I do agree that they have also scored plenty of own goals. I wish they were better. I wish the opposition was better. I wish we had better government in the largest sense of the word in this country. But unfortunately we don't, so I will continue to place my bets on the least worst option.

Wow, I never thought I'd see the day you'd vote National. Congrats.

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