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#2970485 20-Sep-2022 13:40

networkn:

I assume you two were equally offended by Labour announcing they were moving Andrew Kirton, *widely* criticized for his disgraceful handling of the Labour camp sex scandal (for which the report was never made public AFAIK), into a cushy job with a Government owned entity, the same afternoon Jacinda Arden went into labour. It's a play right out of Helen Clarks playbook.

The full report was not made public. The executive summary without identifying details of complainants and witnesses etc was.

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#2970497 20-Sep-2022 14:09

Rikkitic:

gzt: It's back to the people of Tauranga to make that decision either way at the next election. Some time ago I saw some comment in a stuff article along the lines of "give the kid another chance". I must admit when I first saw Uffindell's picture I assumed he was about 22. In fact he's 39. I think his handling of the issue this year leaves a bit to be desired. Personally I'd be uncomfortable voting for him. I'm not in Tauranga electorate so it's not my decision.

The thing is, he has behaved badly in the past. Surely there must be other eminently qualified people who have not behaved badly in the past. He says he has learned his lesson and that is to his credit. But what about someone who didn't need to learn that lesson because they already knew what was right? It just feels a little like thanking a thief for not breaking into your home.

I almost don't care about the details now, it's just another stalking horse for National when it comes to poor decision-making.

Why would you rob your party of all momentum to protect someone who is doomed to be a back-bencher forever anyway from this point on? It's not like this guy has ever been heralded as PM material.

There is a reputation forming of National as a party that will put the interests of ex-private school kids in the short term ahead of looking a government-in-waiting. The days of the Broad Church and a working man's party seem long-gone.

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#2970809 21-Sep-2022 09:25

Speaking of transparency, National sure does not want that report released.

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#2970936 21-Sep-2022 13:14

If it were just the two people involved I would expect the report to be released, the article pointed to 14 participants. The report clearing Uffindell and the general public / his constituency clearing Uffindell are two completely separate things. Not sure he can get the 2nd without releasing (at least in some part) the report.

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#2982642 14-Oct-2022 14:10

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/national-mp-barbara-kuriger-quits-portfolio-amid-dispute-with-government-department/JUWMT5EV5ZX75NFWGA4KTTWWYY/

Nanaia Mahuta could learn a thing or two.

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#2982644 14-Oct-2022 14:14

To fill that position guess who's back!

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#2982647 14-Oct-2022 14:21

networkn: Nanaia Mahuta could learn a thing or two.

I've seen this mentioned a few times yet have not seen a non-paywalled article covering what is alleged. Feel free to post in the Labour topic if you come across one.

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#2982650 14-Oct-2022 15:02

networkn:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/national-mp-barbara-kuriger-quits-portfolio-amid-dispute-with-government-department/JUWMT5EV5ZX75NFWGA4KTTWWYY/

This isn't some sudden thing, there's been some discussion around this for some years now.

The Mahuta situation is reaching parody but this is not the clean surgical strike on ethical grounds people might have you believe.

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#2982651 14-Oct-2022 15:07

"A National-ACT coalition has widened its lead on Labour and the Greens in another political poll that will be unwelcome news to the Government.

A Curia Market Research poll, seen by Stuff, placed the National Party at 39% support, up two percentage points from September. ACT dropped three percentage points to 9% support from those polled.

If the 2023 election produced these numbers, the two traditional allies could form a coalition of 63 seats in the Parliament and govern the country.

Labour’s support dropped a percentage point to 34%, the same level of support recorded in a TVNZ/Kantar poll published two weeks ago.

The Greens, down three percentage points to 7%, wouldn’t be enough to let Labour govern – the centre-left bloc would only have 54 seats in the 120-seat Parliament."

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#2982652 14-Oct-2022 15:16

I'm not convinced we're close enough for that to be a telling factor yet.

Once the coverage starts talking about current MPs who would suddenly be out, that's when the pressure goes on Labour.

National has to keep this momentum up and arguably that's harder.

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#2982709 14-Oct-2022 18:29

End of the day its highly likely National will win. New thread! :-)

As one has commented here, our inflation is largely Government caused, so we can look forward to that being resolved. Tax cuts too

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#2982724 14-Oct-2022 20:46

Inflation mainly NZ Government caused is a big call.

Looking globally at inflation, we do not seem to be exceptional.
https://www.economist.com/economic-and-financial-indicators/2022/10/13/economic-data-commodities-and-markets

Netherlands 13.1%, Germany 8.3%, Britain 8.4%, USA 7.9%,
France 6.2%, Australia 6.0%, Singapore 5.7%

There are common inputs that are external.

Even in food there are still inputs in energy and fertiliser.
Then we get hit with exporters sayi'n, well you have to pay global pricing :-)
National has shown no appetite to hit supermarket duopoly hard ?

There is global shortage of skilled workers, so skill costs go up.
Prices for wide range of materials have gone up.
Most technology as semiconductors and components are still in covid supply chain hangover.

Housing has problems with all the imported inputs into housing construction.
Even wood we grow here,
sawmills closing down as exporters don't want hassle to supply smaller local market.

Discontent is on the rise, I can see this election being hell of a fight.

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#2982770 15-Oct-2022 08:04

ezbee:

Inflation mainly NZ Government caused is a big call.

100%. Its largely an oppositional comment than factual, nothing special in NZ

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#2982873 15-Oct-2022 09:39

ezbee:

Inflation mainly NZ Government caused is a big call.

Looking globally at inflation, we do not seem to be exceptional.
https://www.economist.com/economic-and-financial-indicators/2022/10/13/economic-data-commodities-and-markets

Netherlands 13.1%, Germany 8.3%, Britain 8.4%, USA 7.9%,
France 6.2%, Australia 6.0%, Singapore 5.7%

There are common inputs that are external.

Even in food there are still inputs in energy and fertiliser.
Then we get hit with exporters sayi'n, well you have to pay global pricing :-)
National has shown no appetite to hit supermarket duopoly hard ?

There is global shortage of skilled workers, so skill costs go up.
Prices for wide range of materials have gone up.
Most technology as semiconductors and components are still in covid supply chain hangover.

Housing has problems with all the imported inputs into housing construction.
Even wood we grow here,
sawmills closing down as exporters don't want hassle to supply smaller local market.

Discontent is on the rise, I can see this election being hell of a fight.

NZ inflation has been ahead of the RBNZ agreed target window for inflation for months before Vlad rolled into Ukraine. Saying our inflation is the same as everyone else's because they have similar rates is telling half the story.

The RBNZ running off $50b of new liquidity into the economy, with no scrutiny or consequences for blowing past the target windows (remember when inflation was 'transitory'?).

The RBNZ Governor serves at the pleasure of the Finance Minister. The lack of consequences means we can infer he is quite happy with the status quo, which is making it pretty hard to get by even on formerly comfortable middle-class wages.

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#2983608 17-Oct-2022 08:19

I don't know I'd go as far to say "largely Government caused", they absolutely have their hands dirty in some of the causes, but others are outside their control (costs and delays of shipping, costs of oil/petrol driving prices in all sectors etc), but certainly the printing of $50bio and their stifling the economy during COVID have absolutely magnified the impacts.

Hopefully National / Act don't trip over themselves in the next 12 months by giving the incumbents something to attack themselves with, but history has proven that someone will screw up and there will be a scandal of some description 6 months or so from the election, its just a question of who.

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