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  #3103738 13-Jul-2023 16:24
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Another Russian general goes missing. According to an official statement 'es not dead, just restin'. Beautiful plumage!

 

 

In the meantime the are reports of Prigozhin being seen outside the 15th floor of a Moscow hotel. Shortly afterwards the 14th floor, then the 13th, then the 12th...

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  #3103760 13-Jul-2023 18:20
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Serious question. When will this end and how? I guess the easy answer is Putin mysteriously disappears and the normal Government and Military take control?

 

For what was a 3 week jaunt with an easy win is very very very costly. At a point where if Russia was held to account, the $ cost of reparations is massive, which is yet another reason apart from Putins ego to keep pushing forward. At least when another dictator was beaten, he was beaten. Godwins Law forbids me from naming said dictator. 

 

This cannot go on. Its like a brawl in a kids classroom at school. Ok, obviously more complex than that, but it cannot go on, pure and simple.


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  #3103775 13-Jul-2023 19:13
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tdgeek:

 

Serious question. When will this end and how? I guess the easy answer is Putin mysteriously disappears and the normal Government and Military take control?

 

For what was a 3 week jaunt with an easy win is very very very costly. At a point where if Russia was held to account, the $ cost of reparations is massive, which is yet another reason apart from Putins ego to keep pushing forward. At least when another dictator was beaten, he was beaten. Godwins Law forbids me from naming said dictator. 

 

This cannot go on. Its like a brawl in a kids classroom at school. Ok, obviously more complex than that, but it cannot go on, pure and simple.

 

 

Russia was in Afghanistan for 10 years.


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  #3103780 13-Jul-2023 19:21
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tdgeek: I guess the easy answer is Putin mysteriously disappears and the normal Government and Military take control?

Coups tend to be a bad thing for stability.

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  #3103790 13-Jul-2023 21:11
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Though eventually the instability of Coups might lead to rejection of Coupsters and something more stable.

 

After many Coups...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_coups_in_Argentina

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In 1982, the military government entered into the Falklands War against the United Kingdom in an event of which the causes continue to be unclear. The defeat inflicted in this war sparked the fall of the third military junta and, a few months later, the fourth junta called elections for October 30, 1983. Raúl Alfonsín of the Radical Civic Union won the elections and assumed power on December 10, 1983.

 

The military leaders were tried and convicted, many of them being imprisoned after long and complex processes.

 

The "National Reorganization Process" was the last dictatorship. Even though there were various military insurrections between 1987 and 1990, called the "Carapintadas", none of them succeeded in toppling the democratic government.
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History never repeats and likes to keep its plans secret, its always a shock.
Collapse of USSR, collapse of Coup against Mikhail Gorbachev, Yeltsin climbing on the Tank, who knew ?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-14589691


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  #3103793 13-Jul-2023 21:23
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Then there's the other thing you've more or less stated - coups do not necessarily end wars.

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  #3103926 14-Jul-2023 10:25
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tdgeek: I guess the easy answer is Putin mysteriously disappears and the normal Government and Military take control?

Coups tend to be a bad thing for stability.

 

There is the opinion that anyone who would take over from Putin would be worse—more hard-line and/or more competent.

 

Apocryphal maybe, but I understand that the western allies during WW2 discouraged assassination attempts on Hitler in the last couple of years of the war as his constant meddling in the German war effort was invaluable to the allies' war efforts.





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  #3103937 14-Jul-2023 12:01
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Gurezaemon:

There is the opinion that anyone who would take over from Putin would be worse—more hard-line and/or more competent.

 

Apocryphal maybe, but I understand that the western allies during WW2 discouraged assassination attempts on Hitler in the last couple of years of the war as his constant meddling in the German war effort was invaluable to the allies' war efforts.

 

 

That's mostly a legend, although it was certainly a contributing factor. The main reason was that without Hitler at the top there'd be a fairly rapid negotiated ceasefire, leading to another WWI-like situation with the military and country still significantly intact rather than an unconditional surrender with the Allies on top. It would also have made more obvious the elephant in the room that by 1944 the real threat was Stalin, not Hitler, which German officers kept pointing out to the Allies when they surrendered, they needed to join forces and deal with the bigger threat of Stalin, not fight each other.

 

 

Like most dictators, Hitler did a very effective job at making sure there was no-one capable of taking over, as has Putin, which means that if they're removed the replacements would be mostly washouts (Hitler's replacement was Donitz, an Admiral without a Navy, because the alternatives were a chicken farmer, a drug addict, or a gasbag), or more likely the country would disintegrate due to infighting between the wannabe successors. There is, by design, no-one to take over from Putin. The most powerful remaining people are probably the oligarchs, who having seen what the war has done to them and will continue to do are unlikely to push for continued military action.

 

 

There's also the fact that whoever gets rid of Putin will immediately need to deal with the Cult of Putin in order to stay around for more than a short time, which means exposing all of his lies to the Russian people (look at what Prigozhin did, for example). That'll also significantly reduce support for the war, confirming what most Russians must know by now but are afraid to think about.

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  #3103945 14-Jul-2023 12:45
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neb: That's mostly a legend, although it was certainly a contributing factor. The main reason was that without Hitler at the top there'd be a fairly rapid negotiated ceasefire, leading to another WWI-like situation with the military and country still significantly intact rather than an unconditional surrender with the Allies on top. It would also have made more obvious the elephant in the room that by 1944 the real threat was Stalin, not Hitler, which German officers kept pointing out to the Allies when they surrendered, they needed to join forces and deal with the bigger threat of Stalin, not fight each other.

 

For any one thinking Hitler was bad they need to do some reading on Stalin, he made Hitler look like an angel. While Hitler perpetrated genocide on the Jews and committed horendous crimes all over Europe, Stalin did far far worse to his own people, behind closed doors so to speak. Out of sight of prying eyes.

 

One only need to look at the Katyn Massacre and the way the Russians acted during the Warsaw uprising to realise why the Poles and other Eastern European countries want to be free of the Russian yoke.

 

Stalin was indeed seen by many as the bigger issue at the end of the Second World War which in efffect was the continuance of WWI. Certainly people like General MacArthur and Winston Churchill thought Stalin was a threat that needed to be dealt with.

 

Operation Unthinkable was proposed but not conducted.

 

In my opinion the current war in Ukraine is a continuation of unfinished business from WWII.

 

The only solution I can see is that Russia is defeated. After that Russia needs to be helped in much the same way that Germany and Japan was at the end of WWII. How that is to be achieved I'm not sure though an occupation force that oversees the creation of a new government as happened in Germany and Japan seemed to work pretty well.

 

 





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  #3104137 14-Jul-2023 16:11
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Technofreak:

 

The only solution I can see is that Russia is defeated. After that Russia needs to be helped in much the same way that Germany and Japan was at the end of WWII. How that is to be achieved I'm not sure though an occupation force that oversees the creation of a new government as happened in Germany and Japan seemed to work pretty well.

 

 

 

 

I think this is misinformed and naive. Germany and Japan were devastated after WWII and surrendered unconditionally. Russia is a vast expanse rich in resources and even with the corruption, waste and inefficiency, it is by no means on its knees. The only way the above scenario could apply is after an all-out global thermonuclear war, and then it wouldn't matter much who was left. 

 

I agree Russia must be defeated, but defeat can take many forms. One way or the other, Putin needs to be removed and replaced. With him gone, a withdrawal from Ukraine doesn't have to be a national humiliation. Putin can be a convenient scapegoat. Someone has to pay for all the destruction, but even this doesn't have to mean impoverishment. With the right management, Russia has plenty of wealth to go around.

 

It is a big mistake to think of Russia as a country of peasant farmers and incompetent generals. This is a modern country with the world's biggest nuclear arsenal. It is a country that has launched people into space and landed probes on the moon and Venus. It is a country that deserves disdain for its actions, but it is not a country that can ever be conquered. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 





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  #3104139 14-Jul-2023 16:54
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Rikkitic:

 

Technofreak:

 

The only solution I can see is that Russia is defeated. After that Russia needs to be helped in much the same way that Germany and Japan was at the end of WWII. How that is to be achieved I'm not sure though an occupation force that oversees the creation of a new government as happened in Germany and Japan seemed to work pretty well.

 

 

 

 

I think this is misinformed and naive. Germany and Japan were devastated after WWII and surrendered unconditionally. Russia is a vast expanse rich in resources and even with the corruption, waste and inefficiency, it is by no means on its knees. The only way the above scenario could apply is after an all-out global thermonuclear war, and then it wouldn't matter much who was left. 

 

I agree Russia must be defeated, but defeat can take many forms. One way or the other, Putin needs to be removed and replaced. With him gone, a withdrawal from Ukraine doesn't have to be a national humiliation. Putin can be a convenient scapegoat. Someone has to pay for all the destruction, but even this doesn't have to mean impoverishment. With the right management, Russia has plenty of wealth to go around.

 

It is a big mistake to think of Russia as a country of peasant farmers and incompetent generals. This is a modern country with the world's biggest nuclear arsenal. It is a country that has launched people into space and landed probes on the moon and Venus. It is a country that deserves disdain for its actions, but it is not a country that can ever be conquered. 

 

 

Perhaps I was to general in my term "helped". I wasn't thinking economic help.

 

I was thinking along the lines of helping to rebuild/change their political systems replacing the old guard with a new guard that will embrace democracy and a rule of law that most the the civilised world adheres to. There are currently too many players as bad or worse than Putin who will step into the vacuum without some outside influences to encourage change for the better.

 

Some parts of Russia indeed very modern and advanced but there are some very backward places too.

 

As far as their nuclear weapons go there are serious doubts about the state of these weapons. They need constant attention and maintenance in order for them to be useable and safe.

 

The information I've read on line suggests the state of the weapons is probably as parlous as other parts of their military system due to the corruption that exists. No one seriously considered they would ever by used in anger. Just having them there to use as a deterrent/threat was sufficient.

 

These weapons are probably as big a threat to the Russians as they are to any of Russia's foes.





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  #3104148 14-Jul-2023 17:23
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Technofreak:

One only need to look at the Katyn Massacre and the way the Russians acted during the Warsaw uprising to realise why the Poles and other Eastern European countries want to be free of the Russian yoke.

 

 

In particular, if you're not aware of it, look up the holodomor (a more detailed political analysis here). Stalin made a pretty good go at doing in one country what it took Hitler all of Europe to accomplish:

 

 

Raphael Lemkin (1900-1959), an expert in international criminal law (with a particular interest in the prevention of mass human extermination), who coined and promoted the term "genocide," identified the Holodomor as "the classic example of Soviet genocide."

 

 

Lemkin identified four integral components in the genocidal process in Ukraine:

 

 

The decimation of the Ukrainian national elites (political and cultural leaders),

 

The destruction of the Ukrainian Autocephalous (independent) Orthodox Church (its clergy and hierarchy),

 

The starvation of the Ukrainian farming population (the Holodomor), and

 

Its replacement with non-Ukrainians from the RSFSR and elsewhere.

 

 

(Having said that, the German Hungerplan was set to do the same thing, only Stalin get there first).

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Maybe the whole extracting chips from whiteware things was a bit of a distraction operation ?

 

Possibly when Mr MOBIC is away and not spending all family income on Booze because of a little SMO.
You are one of the lucky Russian Housewives to win the, we are actually getting paid lottery. 
Well maybe you buy yourself some whiteware, and Russian manufacture not being a thing with sanctions its imported from China via a Stan.
While you hope for the white Lada , which is now actually a China CKD car of a brand we have never heard of with a Lada badge.

 

Why disassemble when you can just buy the chips you want... 

 

Maldives: Small island nation with big role shipping chips to Russia
$53m of chips transited Indian Ocean country 1 year after invasion, data shows
https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Tech/Semiconductors/Maldives-Small-island-nation-with-big-role-shipping-chips-to-Russia

 

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In the year after Russia invaded Ukraine, approximately 400,000 U.S.-made semiconductors worth a total of $53.6 million were shipped to Russia via the Maldives, according to Russian customs clearance data obtained from the Indian research firm Export Genius and analyzed by Nikkei.

 

The records analyzed covered shipments valued at over $50,000 (approximately 7 million yen) each. The Maldives was second only to China, including Hong Kong, in terms of such imports in the year after the invasion. Records for the year before the invasion covering transactions of the same minimum value show no such shipments of chips from the Maldives to Russia.
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I'm sure Russia will take a note to stop publishing these stats. 

Iran may also be handy as they seem to have had no problem securing some pretty fancy stuff, so may be in the on selling game too.
Apparently shipping across the Caspian Sea from Iran to Russia has exploded.



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  #3107727 24-Jul-2023 22:32
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Blinken says Ukraine has reclaimed half the territory seized


It's not clear to me which part or timeline he might be talking about.

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  #3107737 24-Jul-2023 23:46
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gzt: Blinken says Ukraine has reclaimed half the territory seized. It's not clear to me which part or timeline he might be talking about.

 

 

Maybe this explanatory video will help:

 

 


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