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  #3118620 21-Aug-2023 14:43
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neb:
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I see a long holiday in Siberia coming up for some in the space agency.

 

They may also be given the option of dyin... fighting in Ukraine for six months in exchange for rehabilitation.

 

 

 

Could be ... Rogozin was spotted there several times.





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  #3118667 21-Aug-2023 16:13
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I gather he left something behind in Donetsk already, so given a pass?

 

Rogozin before his promotion to look after Space programs, 
he was deputy Prime minister which put him in charge of Defense programs for 7 years too.
His son is now director of the Property Department of the Ministry of Defense.

 

Now there's an old headline, but a goodie...  
In Russia you might say, well its space program of course its astronomical.

 

Russian space sector plagued by 'astronomical' corruption.
https://phys.org/news/2019-05-russian-space-sector-plagued-astronomical.html

 

Controversial Director Of Russian Space Agency Dismissed By Kremlin
https://www.rferl.org/a/kremlin-dismisses-controversial-director-russian-space-agency/31945264.html

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Under Rogozin’s tenure, Roskosmos suffered from a steady stream of critical reports about alleged corruption and theft.

 

Putin ordered the building of a new spaceport in Russia’s Far East, but hundreds of millions of rubles have gone missing from the ongoing construction of the facility, called Vostochny Cosmodrome.

 

Prosecutors have launched criminal investigations into subcontractors, and the head of Russia’s Audit Chamber, Aleksei Kudrin, has documented more than 30 billion rubles' ($512 million) worth of financial violations at the agency, most recently last month.
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I gather the lander was an old series they last sent more than 20 years ago, then it was successful, but time may not have been kind?
Maybe they can slap some paint on the old carcass of a Buran and give that a go too.


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  #3118689 21-Aug-2023 16:38
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ezbee:

Rogozin before his promotion to look after Space programs, 
he was deputy Prime minister which put him in charge of Defense programs for 7 years too.
His son is now director of the Property Department of the Ministry of Defense.

 

 

I wouldn't say being moved to running the space program was a promotion, more being set up to fail. Look at the US where, apart from the stupendous pork-barrelling there still isn't the outright criminal corruption that Russia has, and yet NASA is a neverending saga of cancelled projects, endlessly delayed ongoing work, and gigantic cost overruns.

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  #3119352 23-Aug-2023 13:30
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There once was a powerful nation
Bursting with spacey elation
But they went to the moon
And came down too soon
And just made some more devastation

 

 





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  #3119369 23-Aug-2023 14:20
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From Robotyne
Its finally happened, Babushkas in Bradleys... 

 

Liberated Ukrainians cry tears of joy as Ukraine gains strategic foothold in southeast
Times Radio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PksyYdrD2gI

 

One talks of their birthday under occupation one present included 1/2 a box of cookies stolen from Russians.


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  #3119527 23-Aug-2023 19:36
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The first New York Times article is very long - I've condensed it as much as possible. :)

 

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Troop Deaths and Injuries in Ukraine War Near 500,000, U.S. Officials Say

 

Aug. 18, 2023

 

The total number of Ukrainian and Russian troops killed or wounded since the war in Ukraine began 18 months ago is nearing 500,000, U.S. officials said, a staggering toll as Russia assaults its next-door neighbor and tries to seize more territory.

 

The officials cautioned that casualty figures remained difficult to estimate because Moscow is believed to routinely undercount its war dead and injured, and Kyiv does not disclose official figures. But they said the slaughter intensified this year in eastern Ukraine and has continued at a steady clip as a nearly three-month-old counteroffensive drags on.

 

Russia’s military casualties, the officials said, are approaching 300,000. The number includes as many as 120,000 deaths and 170,000 to 180,000 injured troops. The Russian numbers dwarf the Ukrainian figures, which the officials put at close to 70,000 killed and 100,000 to 120,000 wounded.

 

Ukraine has around 500,000 troops, including active-duty, reserve and paramilitary troops, according to analysts. By contrast, Russia has almost triple that number, with 1,330,000 active-duty, reserve and paramilitary troops — most of the latter from the Wagner Group.

 

The Biden administration’s last public estimate of casualties came in November, when Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that more than 100,000 troops on each side had been killed or wounded since the war began in February 2022. At the time, officials said privately that the numbers were closer to 120,000 killed and wounded.

 

But that number soared in the winter and spring, as the two countries turned the eastern city of Bakhmut into a killing field. Hundreds of troops were killed or injured a day for many weeks, U.S. officials said. 

 

A jet dominates a large hangar and a crowd of officials, including President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine.

 

The opening weeks of Kyiv’s counteroffensive this summer were particularly difficult for Ukraine. In the early phase, Western-trained Ukrainian troops struggled to employ “combined arms maneuvers” — a method of fighting in which infantry, armor and artillery are used together in synchronized attacks.

 

Ukrainian troops initially tried to break through dug-in Russian lines with mechanized combined arms formations. Equipped with advanced American weapons, the Ukrainians nonetheless became bogged down in dense Russian minefields under constant fire from artillery and helicopter gunships.

 

In the first two weeks of the counteroffensive, as much as 20 percent of the weaponry Ukraine sent to the battlefield was damaged or destroyed, according to U.S. and European officials. The losses included some of the formidable Western fighting machines — tanks and armored personnel carriers — that the Ukrainians were counting on to beat back the Russians.

 

A senior U.S. official acknowledged the high number of Ukrainian casualties but said combined arms is “very, very hard.” 

 

In recent weeks, Ukraine has shifted its battlefield tactics, returning to its old ways of wearing down Russian forces with artillery and long-range missiles instead of plunging into minefields under fire.

 

The number of dead and wounded reflects the amount of lethal munitions being expended by both sides. Thousands of rounds of artillery are fired every week, tanks batter buildings, land mines are everywhere and drones hover overhead picking off troops below. When close combat does occur, it resembles the battles of World War I: brutal and often taking place in trenches.

 

The estimated figures for Ukraine and Russia are based on satellite imagery, communication intercepts, social media and news media dispatches from reporters in the country, as well as official reporting from both governments. Estimates vary, even within the U.S. government.

 

According to Pentagon documents leaked in the spring, Russia had suffered 189,500 to 223,000 casualties, including up to 43,000 killed in action. One document said that as of February, Ukraine had suffered 124,500 to 131,000 casualties, with as many as 17,500 killed in action.

 

While several U.S. officials and one former senior Ukrainian official said about 70,000 Ukrainian soldiers had died in the conflict so far, other American officials said the number could be lower.

 

The estimates vary so widely partly because of Ukraine’s reluctance to disclose its wartime losses even to the American government. U.S. intelligence analysts have also spent much more time focusing on Russian casualties than those of Ukraine, their ally.

 

Russia analysts say the loss of life is unlikely to deter Mr. Putin. He has no political opposition at home and has framed the war as the kind of struggle the country faced during World War II, when more than eight million Soviet troops died. U.S. officials have said they believe that Mr. Putin can sustain hundreds of thousands of casualties in Ukraine, although higher numbers could cut into his political support.       Ukraine Will Get F-16 Fighter Jets From Denmark and Netherlands

 

 

 

NYT

 

President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine said the Netherlands had agreed to supply 42 of the jets. Denmark also said it would donate the planes.

 

Aug. 20, 2023

 

The Netherlands and Denmark said Sunday that they would donate F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine — the first countries to do so — in what President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine said was a breakthrough in his nation’s quest to acquire the aircraft considered imperative in the war against Russia.

 

The procurement of American-made F-16s to supplement a fleet of Soviet-era jets has been a priority for Mr. Zelensky’s government for months as it seeks advantage over Russia’s air force and also to improve its own air defenses. Ukrainian officials acknowledged last week, however, that NATO countries would not donate the planes before next year, which is too late for use in a counteroffensive the government in Kyiv launched this summer.

 

President Biden, setting aside months of resistance, said in May that NATO countries could train Ukrainian pilots on F-16s, and on Thursday a U.S. official said that the United States would allow allies to send the jets.

 

Speaking during a visit to the Netherlands, Mr. Zelensky said that the Netherlands would donate 42 jets once Ukrainian pilots and engineers had been trained. He also visited Denmark on Sunday and was in Sweden on Saturday, where aircraft were also on the agenda.

 

For now, Ukraine is pressing ahead with its counteroffensive, launched in June, in the absence of the jets, which some military analysts say could have enabled it to deploy large-scale coordinated battle tactics used by NATO countries and taught to Ukrainian troops by its allies.

 

 

 

 

 

A senior U.S. official acknowledged the high number of Ukrainian casualties but said combined arms is “very, very hard.” 

 

-I imagine it would be without airpower... /s


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  #3119633 24-Aug-2023 07:24
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Prigozhin listed as a passenger on a jet that has crashed killing all on board.

 

I guess there was no convenient 12th floor hotel window available.


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  #3119635 24-Aug-2023 07:46
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Putin, subtle much? It sounds like it was a small plane carrying 10 people.

BBC News: Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin presumed dead after Russia plane crash

Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin was on the passenger list of a jet which crashed killing all on board, Russia's civil aviation authority has said.

Earlier, Wagner-linked Telegram channel Grey Zone reported that the private plane, which belonged to Prigozhin, was shot down by air defences.

It was flying from Moscow to St Petersburg, with seven passengers and three crew.

Prigozhin led a failed mutiny against the Russian armed forces in June.

The crash comes on the same day that senior Russian general Sergei Surovikin was reportedly sacked as air force chief.

Gen Surovikin was known to have good relations with Prigozhin and had not been seen in public since the mutiny.

The aircraft is said to have come down near the village of Kuzhenkino in Tver region, about half-way between Moscow and St Petersburg.

Grey Zone said local residents heard two bangs before the crash and saw two vapour trails.

Tass news agency said the plane, an Embraer Legacy belonging to Prigozhin, caught fire on hitting the ground.

The aircraft had been in the air for less than half an hour, it added.
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  #3119645 24-Aug-2023 08:40
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kingdragonfly: Putin, subtle much? It sounds like it was a small plane carrying 10 people.

 

Even if he wasn't on the plane its still a pretty big message from the Kremlin of "we can get you whenever we want to"


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  #3119646 24-Aug-2023 08:49
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IMO carrying out an assassination like this has the opposite effect the perpetrator is trying to achieve.

 

If you can't dominate your political opponents by your personality, popularity or policies and you have to resort to state sponsored murder you look weak.

 

It's not a viable long term strategy. Eventually you will become the victim.


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  #3119650 24-Aug-2023 09:04
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SJB:

 

IMO carrying out an assassination like this has the opposite effect the perpetrator is trying to achieve.

 

If you can't dominate your political opponents by your personality, popularity or policies and you have to resort to state sponsored murder you look weak.

 

It's not a viable long term strategy. Eventually you will become the victim.

 

 

It's been viable to Putin for decades now - Premier since 1999 and President since 2012.

 

 





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  #3119652 24-Aug-2023 09:09
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If Priggy was on the plane, the video suggests he may have had several long moments to think about what was coming.

 

 





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  #3119653 24-Aug-2023 09:14
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Rikkitic:

 

If Priggy was on the plane, the video suggests he may have had several long moments to think about what was coming.

 

 

What was coming was a missile with polonium tea on its head, which opened a window on the plane, which he fell off from into a field of Novichok.





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  #3119659 24-Aug-2023 09:28
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SJB:

 

IMO carrying out an assassination like this has the opposite effect the perpetrator is trying to achieve.

 

If you can't dominate your political opponents by your personality, popularity or policies and you have to resort to state sponsored murder you look weak.

 

It's not a viable long term strategy. Eventually you will become the victim.

 

 

Putin has been poisoning and killing by other means adversaries and threats to his administration for years.

 

The Salisbury poisonings in the UK, Alexei Navalny, and the mulitude of Russian figures who have had unfortunate accidents over the past 2 years or so.





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  #3119668 24-Aug-2023 09:58
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Technofreak:

 

SJB:

 

IMO carrying out an assassination like this has the opposite effect the perpetrator is trying to achieve.

 

If you can't dominate your political opponents by your personality, popularity or policies and you have to resort to state sponsored murder you look weak.

 

It's not a viable long term strategy. Eventually you will become the victim.

 

 

Putin has been poisoning and killing by other means adversaries and threats to his administration for years.

 

The Salisbury poisonings in the UK, Alexei Navalny, and the mulitude of Russian figures who have had unfortunate accidents over the past 2 years or so.

 

 

The difference at this point in time is that his flagship project, Ukraine, is a failure and an almost impossible one to turn around. It's Afghanistan all over again but on a much larger scale and closer to home.

 

When he tries to divert attention with headline grabbing events like the moon landing he spectacularly fails. 

 

He can't even attend the BRICS meeting in person for fear of being arrested for war crimes. 

 

He's never appeared weaker. Maybe not this week or next year but sooner or later someone will overthrow him.

 

 

 

 


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