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  #2884063 10-Mar-2022 00:44
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Daynger:

Ramstein is an airbase, Rammstein is a band.

 

 

In particular, for those who didn't get the reference, the band is named after the air base, specifically the Ramstein air show disaster.

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  #2884066 10-Mar-2022 02:07
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neb: On that topic, interesting video from Wendover Productions, who does logistics-oriented videos for Curiosity Stream, on the (failed) logistics of Putin's invasion.

 

Screenshot taken from that video: 

 

 

 

 

If the above holds true, the Russians haven't learned a thing. Logistics and muddy terrain were major problems for Germany during Barbarossa. 

 

 


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  #2884078 10-Mar-2022 07:39
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neb: On that topic, interesting video from Wendover Productions, who does logistics-oriented videos for Curiosity Stream, on the (failed) logistics of Putin's invasion.

 

I also like the curiosity-stream stuff, and when this first started, sent my Mum a link to their video on the historic (and recent) reasons for Putin's invasion.

 

When it comes to live and real-time news it's hard to see through the noise sometimes. 
So much of the information we're getting is cleverly curated to say the least, or dumbed down to the point where it's a meaningless good guy - bad guy reduction.

 

Apart from the usual - New York Times, Washington Post, Reuters, ABC News, or NPR - for news from a US viewpoint, generally the public, state-owned broadcasters in Western Europe seem to reasoned, balanced views.
I like DW (Deutsche Welle) the German state-owned news organisation, and France 24, the French equivalent.
There's decent regional reporting from CBC in Canada, and Al Jazeera for the Middle-East.

 

The Economist offers an insightful, deeper look at the economic effects and motivations behind world events.

 

Particularly for events in Ukraine, I think The Institute for the Study of War offers a good, basic explanation of tactical events.
Defense blog is useful for US miltary news eg. what the Harry S. Truman Carrier Strike Group's doing in the Aegean right now..
Cipher Brief gives an insightful Spy vs Spy view of the world.

 

And it's always worth a look from the 'other side', as long as you treat everything with scepticism. TASS

 

When I want dunning-kruger comments from a gallery of shouting heads, I watch Fox News - just to get a grasp of the simplistic world view much of the US population's being fed.

 

I'd be interested to hear where others get reliable, unbiased news from?


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  #2884100 10-Mar-2022 08:53
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So, I wonder when are the same sanctions against china going to start? 

 

 

Zhao said China and Russia will "continue to carry out normal trade cooperation, including oil and gas trade, in the spirit of mutual respect, equality and mutual benefit".

 

source

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/russia-ukraine-war-ukrainians-evacuate-kyiv-suburbs-amid-deepening-crisis/M7ACZ4LKOUIVWOZHEVUBSFFWII/


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  #2884135 10-Mar-2022 09:41
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Ukraine needs those planes to help provide air cover if its army is to have any chance of getting across the Dnieper. Otherwise they'll pretty much get encircled on eastern bank and have to surrender. My personal view is that it's the outcome desired by the West which is why the US and the rest of western countries are refusing to help Ukraine with that deal.

 

Their logic is that once the Ukrainian army surrenders in east Ukraine the war can be stopped and borders redrawn. Russia gets East Ukraine which it calls Malorossia (Little Russia), and if negotiations go western way - Ukraine retains the port of Odessa. If not, then the west is saddled with a landlocked country destroyed by war, with no strategic ports or natural reserves; creating another failed state for Europe to take care of, like Moldova. Something tells me that the cowardly and shortsighted western politicians will take that deal.





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  #2884136 10-Mar-2022 09:43
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Kookoo:

 

Ukraine needs those planes to help provide air cover if its army is to have any chance of getting across the Dnieper. Otherwise they'll pretty much get encircled on eastern bank and have to surrender. My personal view is that it's the outcome desired by the West which is why the US and the rest of western countries are refusing to help Ukraine with that deal.

 

Their logic is that once the Ukrainian army surrenders in east Ukraine the war can be stopped and borders redrawn. Russia gets East Ukraine which it calls Malorossia (Little Russia), and if negotiations go western way - Ukraine retains the port of Odessa. If not, then the west is saddled with a landlocked country destroyed by war, with no strategic ports or natural reserves; creating another failed state for Europe to take care of, like Moldova. Something tells me that the cowardly and shortsighted western politicians will take that deal.

 

 

From what Ive read, Russia wants the south and port


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  #2884140 10-Mar-2022 09:53
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Pentagon are doing a presser. If Russia is watching, they are scared of Putin. Its ok to knowingly send masses of weapons, but they are scared that MIG's might escalate the conflict

 

Why isnt the well known current US military support escalating it?? "No, that's not splitting hairs Jen" Watching this Russia holds all the cards, every one


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  #2884223 10-Mar-2022 10:25
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tdgeek:

 

Pentagon are doing a presser. If Russia is watching, they are scared of Putin. Its ok to knowingly send masses of weapons, but they are scared that MIG's might escalate the conflict

 

Why isnt the well known current US military support escalating it?? "No, that's not splitting hairs Jen" Watching this Russia holds all the cards, every one

 

 

This type of tiptoeing is an inherent weakness of democracy as a system of government. I'm sure those who are familiar with game theory will have a much better way of putting it, but regular elections force the government to focus on short term objectives whereas an authoritarian ruler has the ability to plan long term. For a western leader the question is "What will get me more votes - military support for Ukraine or ending the war?" For Putin the question is "Unless my regime is physically endangered, what will ensure the best outcome for me and the worst outcome for Europe in the long term?"





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  #2884231 10-Mar-2022 10:35
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tdgeek,
Of course that's why Russia goes for maximum force pretty early, no one can then accuse them of escalating.

 

However the toll on hospitals, civilians which airpower seems to be facilitating ,somewhat justifies a small escalation ?

 

The planes were just sitting on tarmac unarmed and Ukrainians stole them before we noticed.
The paperwork to authorize shooting these down over our civilian airspace with potential liability for damage below takes ages.

Like how many minutes away is Ukrainian boarder from Polish airbase they sit at.
We don't interfere once they are in Ukrainian airspace as we have no authority there.
Oh Russia you do want us to interfere in Ukrainian airspace ? Or not ?

 

We have issued warrants for their arrest with Interpol. Rule of law satisfied.
Maybe planes went somewhere else Russia do you have absolute evidence its our planes ?


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  #2884323 10-Mar-2022 11:55
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Can International Law Stop Putin's War on Ukraine?

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A war of aggressor is clearly illegal under international law,


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  #2884360 10-Mar-2022 13:00
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kingdragonfly 
So he could have just said, like the Pirate Code ?  YMMV, YLMV, YEMV  :-) 
L = Law , E=Enforcement

 

As from the SiFi Film Dungeonmaster
'I reject your reality and substitute my own.' 

 

More Putin background, yep he really is a Christian ?  
If authoritarian, totalitarian Christian, someone Brain Tamaki could relate to ?

 

A piece by Australian Baptist Minister Tim Costello, recalling a meeting with Putin at his Dacha in Y2013

 

The Russian president’s Orthodox faith is central to his worldview but he has used it to justify invasion and violence in God’s name
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/06/vladimir-putin-a-miracle-defender-of-christianity-or-the-most-evil-man

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In our meeting with Putin, he said that he was insistent that young Russians start going back to church. He wore a cross around his neck and I later learned he had been secretly baptised by his mother as his father was an atheist. He seemed fascinated that I was a reverend and questioned me about faith. I pushed the envelope and raised why he had sentenced Pussy Riot for singing in the Cathedral of Christ the Saviour in Moscow and he said the church had been deeply offended. I said but a church, despite its offence, believes in the primacy of forgiveness not punishment for a blasphemy, and he looked at me with blinking incomprehension as if to say why would they forgive? But did I sense I was in the presence of evil? No.
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  #2884388 10-Mar-2022 13:43
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Seems its all talk in Europe. talk , no action.

The EU wont ban Russian oil & gas imports.
https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-rejects-calls-for-banning-russian-oil-and-gas/ 

So , the EU are effectively bankrolling Putins invasion.
Cut off the supply of money should be the 1st step .

 

This is exactly what Trump criticized Germany for doing when he was president .
Giving Russia lots of gas money , then expecting the US to do the heavy spending for NATO .


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  #2884391 10-Mar-2022 13:49
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1101:

 

Seems its all talk in Europe. talk , no action.

The EU wont ban Russian oil & gas imports.
https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-rejects-calls-for-banning-russian-oil-and-gas/

So , the EU are effectively bankrolling Putins invasion.
Cut off the supply of money should be the 1st step .

 

This is exactly what Trump criticized Germany for doing when he was president .
Giving Russia lots of gas money , then expecting the US to do the heavy spending for NATO .

 

 

I just checked and it's only just above zero degrees in many central European cities.

 

Do you want to tell them to throw another jumper on ?

 

 

 

Won't that gas be paid for by putting money into an account that the Russians can't access anyway?

 

There comes a certain point where you are cutting your nose off to spite your face.





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  #2884398 10-Mar-2022 14:00
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elpenguino:

 

I just checked and it's only just above zero degrees in many central European cities.

 

Do you want to tell them to throw another jumper on ?

 

 

 

Won't that gas be paid for by putting money into an account that the Russians can't access anyway?

 

There comes a certain point where you are cutting your nose off to spite your face.

 

 

100%.

 

BRUSSELS — The European Commission on Tuesday presented a plan to cut Russian gas imports by two-thirds this year, steeply reducing — but not severing — energy ties to Moscow.

 

In many ways its a bigger deal to start reducing now, and over time, which infers a permanent move away, rather than the PRNK style of sanction then back off to get the reward.


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  #2884399 10-Mar-2022 14:06
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ezbee:

 


In our meeting with Putin, he said that he was insistent that young Russians start going back to church. He wore a cross around his neck and I later learned he had been secretly baptised by his mother as his father was an atheist. He seemed fascinated that I was a reverend and questioned me about faith. I pushed the envelope and raised why he had sentenced Pussy Riot for singing in the Cathedral of Christ the Saviour in Moscow and he said the church had been deeply offended. I said but a church, despite its offence, believes in the primacy of forgiveness not punishment for a blasphemy, and he looked at me with blinking incomprehension as if to say why would they forgive? But did I sense I was in the presence of evil? No.
""

 

 

So many devout Crusaders wreaking havoc in the name of god. Evil wears many guises.

 

 

 

 





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