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  #2906683 26-Apr-2022 09:31
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Not only that, but Ukraine on Fire seem to have been created by a pro-Russia propaganda outfit.





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  #2906716 26-Apr-2022 10:42
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After some consideration and investigation, I have blocked a user from posting in this thread. We don't need people derailing the discussion by raising whataboutism, links to Russian propaganda and off topic posts.





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  #2906776 26-Apr-2022 11:13
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freitasm:

 

Not only that, but Ukraine on Fire seem to have been created by a pro-Russia propaganda outfit.

 

 

In the article mentioned it says Stone's son was an anchor for RT (up goes a red flag).

 

I don't know how much influence on the doc his son had.





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  #2906807 26-Apr-2022 12:34
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I do not understand what Russias tactics are or ablities. Why does Ukraine still have a working electricity Grid and Water supply? Are they still trying pretend they good guys and by showing restraint by not blowing the substations up since hacking them has failed at the start of the "operation".

 

Electric power has been considered a critical target in every war since World War II. Yet Kyiv still has power.


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  #2906810 26-Apr-2022 12:43
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Kyiv is a little further away from the hottest fighting at the moment - their original push really stalled out and got shredded - and I imagine the anti-air defenses are pretty thick there too.





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  #2906998 26-Apr-2022 16:19
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Deadline: Oliver Stone Criticizes “Mr. Putin’s Aggression In Ukraine” After Previously Saying There Was “No Proof” Russia Intended To Invade

[After "Ukraine on Fire"] Stone went to Russia and interviewed its president for a documentary called The Putin Interviews, which aired on Showtime in 2017.
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Early in March, Stone told an interviewer: “The United States and its allies in NATO have been provoking Russia for, since two years now — actually three years – over the Ukraine…”

In the same interview, the director decried “bloodthirsty” media coverage saying, “they have no proof that Russia intends to invade Ukraine; I doubt that they would. I think Russia is concerned only with the Donbass region.”

After the invasion, Stone — who had also criticized the media for using the term “invasion” to characterize Russia’s plans — came around.

...From FaceBook, end of March:

"Although the United States has many wars of aggression on its conscience, it doesn’t justify Mr. Putin’s aggression in Ukraine. A dozen wrongs don’t make a right. Russia was wrong to invade.

It has made too many mistakes
  1. underestimating Ukrainian resistance

  2. overestimating the military’s ability to achieve its objective

  3. underestimating Europe’s reaction, especially Germany upping its military contribution to NATO, which they’ve resisted for some 20 years; even Switzerland has joined the cause. Russia will be more isolated than ever from the West.

  4. underestimating the enhanced power of NATO, which will now put more pressure on Russia’s borders

  5. probably putting Ukraine into NATO,

  6. underestimating the damage to its own economy and certainly creating more internal resistance in Russia,

  7. creating a major readjustment of power in its oligarch class,

  8. putting cluster and vacuum bombs into play

  9. underestimating the power of social media worldwide.

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  #2907064 26-Apr-2022 18:59
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freitasm:

Not only that, but Ukraine on Fire seem to have been created by a pro-Russia propaganda outfit.

 

 

Yup. It's somewhat disingenuous to call it "Oliver Stone's documentary", it's pro-Kremlin propaganda that merely uses Oliver Stone, and his name, as an interviewer (and patsy). In terms of viewing material, treat it as a record of how the Kremlin sees the Ukraine situation. That doesn't mean "don't watch it", but be aware of what it is you're watching, it's the Kremlin's view of the Ukraine situation.

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  #2907105 26-Apr-2022 22:28
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Ukraine: The hardware each country is sending

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The delivery of military aid to Ukraine is continuing, as Russia's invasion of the country goes on.


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  #2907120 27-Apr-2022 06:34
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/300573757/top-russian-diplomat-warns-ukraine-against-provoking-wwiii

 

Short story is that Russia feels it has every right to do whatever it wants in Ukraine, but its not fair if anyone helps the victim


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  #2907601 27-Apr-2022 16:18
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"Stugna P" - a Ukraine made anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) of # is making its presence felt


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  #2907617 27-Apr-2022 16:36
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“Russia is cutting off natural gas supplies to Poland and Bulgaria after they refused to pay in rubles, dramatically escalating tensions with the West.”

 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/04/26/energy/poland-russia-gas/index.html

 

”Bulgarian government agencies have taken steps to make alternative arrangements for the supply of natural gas.”

 

and Poland says there will be no shortage of gas there, even when Russian gas stopped.

 

I’m guessing rest of Europe is refusing to pay in rubles, says Europe won’t be able to keep their economies running long without Russian gas.

 

 

 

 


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  #2907655 27-Apr-2022 18:32
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rugrat:

 

“Russia is cutting off natural gas supplies to Poland and Bulgaria after they refused to pay in rubles, dramatically escalating tensions with the West.”

 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/04/26/energy/poland-russia-gas/index.html

 

”Bulgarian government agencies have taken steps to make alternative arrangements for the supply of natural gas.”

 

and Poland says there will be no shortage of gas there, even when Russian gas stopped.

 

I’m guessing rest of Europe is refusing to pay in rubles, says Europe won’t be able to keep their economies running long without Russian gas.

 

 

 

 

 

 

dramatically escalating tensions with the West. is more like dramatically escalating tensions with Putin.

 

Oil and gas in Europe is a price to pay. It can be millions in weapons, or it can be gas and oil issues in Europe. The latter is easy compared to missile strikes. 

 

Its about who will crack first. Russia's "crack" will be the years ahead, the rest of us that get economic fallout, is easier than Ukraine's fallout. 


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  #2907770 28-Apr-2022 01:21
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cruxis:

 

I do not understand what Russias tactics are or ablities. Why does Ukraine still have a working electricity Grid and Water supply? Are they still trying pretend they good guys and by showing restraint by not blowing the substations up since hacking them has failed at the start of the "operation".

 

Electric power has been considered a critical target in every war since World War II. Yet Kyiv still has power.

 

 

The initial objectives of any combined arms offensive operation include achieving air superiority, destroying enemy supply dumps and disrupting enemy command & control.

 

Enemy airfields, air defense systems, communication centers, fuel storage facilities and ammunition depots are all primary targets. 

 

As armed forces can operate in the field without relying on substations for power, in a city without electricity those who are most affected tend to be civilians.


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  #2907810 28-Apr-2022 09:33
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I find it interesting that part of the justification of the invasion by Russia was the "encirclement" of Russia by NATO if Ukraine were to join. 

 

This is a map that shows the "encirclement as it stands today. 

 





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  #2907848 28-Apr-2022 11:37
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Like all of Putin's and his sycophants announcements it's total b******t. It's all about recreating the USSR under a Stalin like leader.

 

In a speech yesterday he talked about having weapons that none of his adversaries could 'boast' of. That says it all.


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