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  #2915872 19-May-2022 09:09
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neb:
kingdragonfly: Why did Russians take Chornobyl?
What makes Chernobyl really nasty is that the radiation is very unevenly distributed, it's not that the soil is uniformly moderately radioactive, it's that most of it barely shows any activity and then scattered all over it are small, incredibly hot fragments of ejected reactor core (alongside areas where irradiated equipment was dumped, which is different). So instead of getting an overall moderate dose, you get extreme doses concentrated in very small areas, which is far more damaging. The other danger about moving the soil around is that it's going to create dust, some of which you'll breathe in, which means you now have alpha particle emitters inside your lungs. So the threat isn't so much generic "radioactive soil" but in the short term effects of exposure to concentrated high-activity sources and in the long term lung cancer.

 

Something that really surprised me about the Fukushima meltdown was the extremely localised pockets of radiation.

 

In Fukushima City, around 50 km from the power plant, the radiation readings outside my front door were barely above background levels, and one upstairs balcony had very high levels, whereas another didn't. It all seemed to be related to eddies of dust or how the wind blew, and was totally unpredictable.

 

The insidious, invisible nature of radiation made for a stressful time. Sales of Geiger counters (mainly Russian-made!) went through the roof.





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  #2915877 19-May-2022 09:22
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Gurezaemon:

 

The insidious, invisible nature of radiation made for a stressful time. Sales of Geiger counters (mainly Russian-made!) went through the roof.

 

 

 

 

Eh, that seems ok. Not great, not terrible.





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  #2915966 19-May-2022 13:57
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I think that the Ukrainians have made a major mistake by charging that tank commander with murder. (even though he has apparently plead guilty)

 

The Ukraine government should have sent him to the ICC in the Hague.

 

The Russians are so much in for tit-for-tat that I think I will be safe betting that many Ukrainian soldiers will now be charged. (and convicted of course as their justice system is crap)

 

 

 

 


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  #2915967 19-May-2022 13:58
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neb:
kingdragonfly: Why did Russians take Chornobyl?
What makes Chernobyl really nasty is that the radiation is very unevenly distributed,

 

There are plenty of people living in & around that area.
Some never left their small homes . they have been there the whole time, still alive and well.
'Stalkers' also live in Pripyat , living hidden in the abandoned apartment buildings and nearby homes.

 

Its not all dangerous , otherwise there would be no one living there & the new sarcophagus could not have been built

Hotspots : yep, plenty .
The Firemans boots & clothes are still in the Hospital basement , that basement room is still a hotspot .

What was stated as an issue was Russian army digging trenches & tanks tearing up dirt .
Perhaps thats why the Russian army left ?

 

 


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  #2915979 19-May-2022 14:21
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decibel:

I think that the Ukrainians have made a major mistake by charging that tank commander with murder. (even though he has apparently plead guilty)



DW: Russian soldier charged with war crimes in Ukraine pleads guilty

...After their convoy was attacked in Ukraine's northeastern Sumy region on February 28, the accused and four other fleeing soldiers are alleged to have stolen a car from outside the village of Chupakhivka.

He is accused of shooting a 62-year-old man in the head, who was riding past them on a bicycle and talking on a phone, to prevent him from reporting the soldiers' presence.

"One of the military servicemen ordered the accused to kill a civilian so that he would not report them. The man died on the spot just a few dozen meters from his home," Ukrainian prosecutors said. The person who allegedly gave the order was not identified.
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  #2915995 19-May-2022 15:32
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Gurezaemon:

The insidious, invisible nature of radiation made for a stressful time. Sales of Geiger counters (mainly Russian-made!) went through the roof.

 

 

Yeah, it was weird seeing them go from curiosities on eBay to quite pricey items within a few days, and the range available doubled or tripled within a few weeks. You could also see a flood of NOS (new old stock) SBM-20's, the standard Soviet GM tubes, popping up as people dug them out of musty old boxes in the basement. You can still get SBM-20s today, they must have made them in staggering numbers and then just put them into storage.

 

 

More recently there have been more Chinese ones appearing built around the 4011, the Chinese-made equivalent to the SBM-20.

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  #2915996 19-May-2022 15:33
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decibel:

I think that the Ukrainians have made a major mistake by charging that tank commander with murder. (even though he has apparently plead guilty)

 

 

Yeah, I thought so too. It's going to look like a staged show trial no matter what, and you know the Russians are going to respond with actual staged show trials. They've handled the propaganda war very well so far, but this one was definitely a mistake.

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  #2915998 19-May-2022 15:37
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1101:

There are plenty of people living in & around that area.
Some never left their small homes . they have been there the whole time, still alive and well.
'Stalkers' also live in Pripyat , living hidden in the abandoned apartment buildings and nearby homes.

 

 

Radiation tolerance in humans is unevenly distributed, what you're seeing are the survivors who can handle it.

 

 

But yeah, as long as you take sensible precautions you're fine to work there, the absorbed dose is pretty negligible if you keep out of the hot spots. Neither of which the Russian troops did...

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  #2916034 19-May-2022 17:52
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BBC World Service - Russia says 900 Mariupol defenders sent to prison colony

 

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More than 900 Ukrainian fighters who had been holed up in Mariupol's Azovstal steel plant have been taken to a prison colony in Russian-controlled territory, Moscow has said. ...

 

Their fate remains unclear, with Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov refusing to say whether they would be treated as criminals or prisoners of war. ...

 



 

Arbeit macht frei  - Exactly what I would expect from Putin - they will "disappear" over the next few years ...   🙁

 





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  #2916036 19-May-2022 18:09
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The fate of these prisoners was obviously not negotiated sufficiently.

 

They will be put on trial the same as the Russian tank commander mentioned above - but "Russian justice" this time.


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  #2916037 19-May-2022 18:19
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decibel:  The fate of these prisoners was obviously not negotiated sufficiently. ...

 

 


You can't negotiate with Putin - he is a cornered rat.   😶





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  #2916039 19-May-2022 18:34
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The Azovstal prisoners.
Apparently Russia is very very keen to swap Kadyrovites if they get captured.

 

For Russian nationals they seem to share Trump view of preferring people who don't get captured.
Russia's appalling treatment of prisoners is related to their lack of concern for their own.
So you don't care to create a good example to ensure your own are well treated.
Japan 'of past' was regrettably like that.

 

So if Ukraine could lure enough Kadyrovites with a trap ?
A special irresistible TikTok performance.
Kadyrov seems to have some power over Putin, rest of Russia should worry about that 

 

Putin, for someone that was all big picture worrying about demographic crunch and such.
Creating a state where people who care about children leave if they can. 
Killing off those that remain to sustain your population,
is an excellent strategy.
Brilliant.

 

The whole Putin, Ivan Illich, Russian truth thing, makes lying a negotiation tactic.
The Russian state will only do what they are forced and have no choice to do.
Their word, a handshake etc is worthless. 
Why certain world leaders don't get this I don't understand.


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  #2916524 20-May-2022 15:19
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McDonald's becomes Russia's "arch"-enemy :)

I expected them to call the new restaurants "Is Potato" :)

Associated Press: McDonald’s era in Russia coming to a close, restaurants sold

McDonald’s is selling all of its restaurants in Russia 30 years after the burger chain became a powerful symbol of easing Cold War tensions between the United States and Soviet Union.

The company shuttered hundreds of locations in March after Russia invaded Ukraine, which has cost McDonald’s about $55 million per month. On Monday, McDonald’s announced it would sell those stores and leave Russia.

The new name is "the Chicago burger giant".

McDonald’s did not disclose the terms of the sale. Last year, McDonald’s Russian operations contributed 9% of the company’s total annual sales, or around $2 billion.

McDonald’s was among the first Western consumer brands to enter Russia in 1990. Its large, gleaming store near Pushkin Square in Moscow, which opened shortly after the fall of the Berlin Wall, signaled a new era of optimism in the wake of the Cold War.

It’s the first time the company has “de-arched,” or exited a major market. It plans to start removing golden arches and other symbols and signs with the company’s name. McDonald’s said it will also will maintain its trademarks in Russia and take steps to enforce them if necessary.
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  #2916527 20-May-2022 15:32
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Wall Street Journal: As Russia’s Invasion Of Ukraine Stalls, Critical Voices Emerge In Moscow

Since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine earlier this year, commentators loyal to the Kremlin have applauded the war effort and praised the country’s military leadership. But as Russian setbacks on the battlefield have mounted, critical voices have grown louder.

In a television appearance this week, retired Col. Mikhail Khodaryonok cautioned viewers that “the situation will clearly get worse for us” in Ukraine as Western countries step up arms shipments and financial support for Kyiv.

“The most important thing for us is to hold fast to a standpoint of military and political realism,” Col. Khodaryonok said. “If you lose that, then history will hit you so hard, you won’t know what happened.”
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After an early May battle in which Ukrainian forces largely wiped out a Russian battalion attempting to cross a river in eastern Ukraine, destroying tanks and armored vehicles and inflicting heavy casualties, some military commentators spoke up to call it an embarrassing failure.

On another Channel One program, hosted by vocal pro-Kremlin presenter Vladimir Solovyov, Igor Markov—a former Ukrainian lawmaker and pundit known for backing the Russian government—accepted the possibility that Russia could lose the war.

“Our lives are at stake, you know, and we have one option—to win,” said Mr. Markov. “What’s going on now—I don’t see how we’re going to do it.” He went on to say: “I really want to believe that they are reporting to the commander in chief the real state of things that are happening.”
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Others who have long backed Russia’s military have voiced similar concerns.

“I won’t say bad things, though I have a whole lot of regrettable news. But one question: where are our forces?” Aleksandr Sladkov, a Russian military journalist and ex-serviceman, wrote on Telegram.

“Notice the difference: we used to speak of the Kharkiv offensive, the Kyiv offensive,” Mr. Sladkov said. “Now our successes are of a different format, and we’re naming successful offensives with the names of modest towns.”
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  #2916590 20-May-2022 18:54
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I thought this was Russia vs Ukraine? Watched a few mins of CNN, seems like UKR is pushed them back in a few places, and literally going after them

 

Way to go. Perhaps the defending is ending and pushing them out is next?


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