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dafman
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  #1184086 27-Nov-2014 14:11
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So glad I bought my Panny ST65. For movies, I have seen nothing that comes close to this for cinematic feel. Certainly not convinced with what I have seen with UHD to date. And I'm picking curved to be a passing fad ... time will tell.

 
 
 

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  #1184089 27-Nov-2014 14:14
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dclegg:
*The only annoyance I have is that if you configure it for Game mode to reduce input lag, you get a little popup every 30 minutes telling you how long you've been playing for.


On my VT60, the control for it is Menu - Setup/Display Settings/Playing Time Display.

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  #1184096 27-Nov-2014 14:24
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fahrenheit:
dclegg:
*The only annoyance I have is that if you configure it for Game mode to reduce input lag, you get a little popup every 30 minutes telling you how long you've been playing for.


On my VT60, the control for it is Menu - Setup/Display Settings/Playing Time Display.


Well bugger me, there it is.

Thanks for the tip.



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  #1184114 27-Nov-2014 14:42
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dclegg:

Well bugger me, there it is.

Thanks for the tip.


 

You're welcome.

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  #1184183 27-Nov-2014 15:36
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toaster: Speaking of Panny plasmas, yes they give you great video PQ, but just remember that plasma is no good if you're planning to use this TV as a computer/HTPC screen or even for gaming. It's perfect for video, but anything else and you will get massive flickering on bright backgrounds, image retention on static images, and line bleed on horizontal lines - personal experience with the last few series of Panny plasmas.

If you plan to game or hook up your PC/server, then go for UHD LED.


??? I used my VT50 for Battlefield 3 & 4 on PS3 with none of those issue. There is a pixel cycle function that eliminates that on the ST/VT50 and failing that a screen wipe process as well. Was this on the ST/VT30 perhaps ???

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  #1184753 28-Nov-2014 10:29
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i tried out various content on the different screens from a USB stick.

LG 55: content looked 'fake' or 'unnatural' much like the other LED/LCD tv's.  motion wasnt great - and was much worse on the 200Mhz model.

LG 65:  content looked pretty good.  most natural looking (excluding the plasma).  no stuttering in the full HD content and handled poor content slightly better than others.

Samsung 65: nicest looking model, and best app experience.  picture looked less natural, more processed.  still images looked great.  HD content had a few stutters here and there

Panasonic VT60 55": best looking picture, most natural,  black blacks.  only FullHD , not 4K.

OLED - didnt look at this in the end, although i expect it would have beaten the 4K tv's.  The price is still high (couldnt get a really good deal) and i think i'll look at a 4K OLED when they are here and drop in price (2-3 years).

HD Content Stutters - quite possibly down to the fact that the media player in the Samsung and Panasonic were not as good as the LG.  Should have plugged in a media player and tried just sending picture to each screen for better comparison.

I ended up with the panasonic vt60 - the one criticism i have is that it doesnt handle a bright room as well as the LCD/IPS screens -  I still need to close the blinds in my lounge during the day to see properly.  If the LG 55" had performed better, and if i could have gotten that on a really good price I probably would have gone that way as it would have handled the bright room much better (oled would have been better again).  The 65" i felt was just too big for my space :)




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  #1184754 28-Nov-2014 10:31
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heylinb4nz:
toaster: Speaking of Panny plasmas, yes they give you great video PQ, but just remember that plasma is no good if you're planning to use this TV as a computer/HTPC screen or even for gaming. It's perfect for video, but anything else and you will get massive flickering on bright backgrounds, image retention on static images, and line bleed on horizontal lines - personal experience with the last few series of Panny plasmas.

If you plan to game or hook up your PC/server, then go for UHD LED.


??? I used my VT50 for Battlefield 3 & 4 on PS3 with none of those issue. There is a pixel cycle function that eliminates that on the ST/VT50 and failing that a screen wipe process as well. Was this on the ST/VT30 perhaps ???


my HTPC running Windows MCE at 1920x1080, and the XBOX One running 1080p both look great on the VT60.  I also tried out Titanfall and seemed to be fine.  Maybe you need to be particularly picky, or maybe this was a problem on older panels?






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  #1184763 28-Nov-2014 10:44
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Regs:  Maybe you need to be particularly picky


I think this is the ducks guts right there. Us mere mortal gamers probably never even notice the input lag. But true hardcore gamers, who consistently rank highly with twitch based shooters like COD, may notice it a bit more. But it certainly hasn't got in the way of my gaming experience. And I'm not noticing any difference between my VT60 and the older (and supposedly less laggy) model it replaced.

I was watching a YouTube video which was supposed to be showing the input lag between the VT60 and a LCD monitor. I'm damned if I could see any difference at all when running the video at normal speed. If I paused the video I could sometimes almost kinda get the feeling that perhaps there was a slight possibility that the pictures were not quite in sync.

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  #1184771 28-Nov-2014 10:53
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Regs: 
I ended up with the panasonic vt60 - the one criticism i have is that it doesnt handle a bright room as well as the LCD/IPS screens -  I still need to close the blinds in my lounge during the day to see properly.  If the LG 55" had performed better, and if i could have gotten that on a really good price I probably would have gone that way as it would have handled the bright room much better (oled would have been better again).  The 65" i felt was just too big for my space :)


Hey Regs - where in NZ are you? I have been looking around for a 65VT60 but they are thin on the ground. Do you mind sharing where you saw these?

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  #1184830 28-Nov-2014 11:55
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Regs:
I ended up with the panasonic vt60


Well done. I can say with absolute certainty, that my VT60 is the best commodity I have ever owned. It is simply sublime.
I'm also a gamer and Far Cry 4 has been getting at least two hours every night for the last week.
I always warm the TV up first though. Anything bright white and static, should be avoiding in the first 10-20 minutes.

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  #1184897 28-Nov-2014 14:00
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timbosan:
Regs: 
I ended up with the panasonic vt60 - the one criticism i have is that it doesnt handle a bright room as well as the LCD/IPS screens -  I still need to close the blinds in my lounge during the day to see properly.  If the LG 55" had performed better, and if i could have gotten that on a really good price I probably would have gone that way as it would have handled the bright room much better (oled would have been better again).  The 65" i felt was just too big for my space :)


Hey Regs - where in NZ are you? I have been looking around for a 65VT60 but they are thin on the ground. Do you mind sharing where you saw these?


there was a single unit of the 55" left at Appliance Shed in St Lukes (Auckland).  I think there are a couple of smaller/cheaper screens there still that they want to get rid of.  One of the Noel Leeming guys mentioned a Panasonic plasma on the floor at Botany - don't recall the size.  Perhaps you could ring a couple of stores (NL/Harvey Norman/JB Hifi) and ask




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  #1185669 30-Nov-2014 07:58
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If you're in Auckland, I've seen some in the Wairau Park shops recently.
Oh yeah, and when it comes to light output, the ST60 will produce a brighter picture due to the slightly less aggressive filters.
I watch TV at night, or with curtains closed, and when I dim my lights via the remote, it gets better again.

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  #1185673 30-Nov-2014 08:06
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toaster: I currently own the curved Samsung 65HU9000, which I think is a wonderful and sexy TV with very good screen uniformity for an edge-lit tv and minimal clouding when SMart LED setting is engaged on Low. This TV also has by far the best 4k upscaling picture quality of all TVs on the current market, with good sources like 1080p blu-rays it brings out the kind of detail that is simply impossible to see on a mere FullHD screen...



"it brings out the kind of detail that is simple impossible to see on a mere FullHD screen"

I'm sorry... what?
No.
No it does not.
It cannot extract any more detail from the disc than was put on there by the content creator.
If you're seeing things that aren't on the original disc (and I'm betting you don't have a 65" curved LED 8 series TV sitting next to your TV,  running the same content) - you'd only be seeing artifacts caused by up-scaling.
It's nice that you have a new TV, but really, the marketing team at Samsung have worked some magic on you.


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