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Topic # 208006 22-Jan-2017 22:59
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Current set up is a NAS, MiniDLNA server on a Core2Duo Ubuntu box, and a Sony BluRay player. This works fine for 95% of the files. However, more and more files are not supported by the Sony.

 

MiniDLNA doesn't transcode, so I have been trying for hours to get Emby, Universal Media Server, and/or Plex running.

 

Emby: Low quality. UMS: Same issue, no transcoding. Plex: too slow.

 

 

 

This is just taking too much time, so I want to buy a media player. My most important feature is to play content from the NAS, either via DLNA, or directly via network (cable, not via WiFi(
Things like online services (Netflix, YouTube, etc.) are a very nice-to-have. 

 

I have done a lot of research, and now I am looking at the Roku Premiere Plus: https://www.roku.com/products/roku-premiere-plus
S
ee all file types supported here: https://support.roku.com/article/208754908-how-to-use-roku-media-player-to-play-your-videos-music-and-photos

 

It all seems to tick all the boxes, but I want to be 100% sure that it supports 99% of the file types out there. I could find one post of a guy where a certain file was not supported, but can't see to

 

I have also been looking at the Popcorn Hour, as I know that used to be best media player in terms of file support. But it's more expensive, and it doesn't seem to be so popular anymore.

 

I don't like Kodi BTW, as my experience is that you  need a mouse. I've got a Kodi box with remote keyboard+mouse, and a remote, but I need the keyboard most of the times.

 

Your experiences please! cool


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  Reply # 1707774 23-Jan-2017 07:41
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Kodi supports hdmi-cec and works perfectly with my TV remote.
I have a Samsung TV with raspberry pi running osmc(Kodi).
My files sit on a Windows share on my PC.
Plays pretty much everything, though can ground out on 1080 full HD hevc files. The latest raspberry pi model is more powerful though and is probably OK with these files.




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  Reply # 1707777 23-Jan-2017 07:53
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+1 for kodi on a raspberry Pi. We have either a rpi2 or 3 connected to every tv in the house. (4 in total) they work with either the tv remote or a USB ir receiver and a media center remote, no keyboards or mice on any of them. Our library consists of backed up blurays (remuxed them to mkv to keep the full quality including hd audio) both movie and tv series. The rpi's change the frame rate automatically and everything is silky smooth in terms of playback with no droped frames.

 
 
 
 


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Reply # 1707786 23-Jan-2017 08:20
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I am very happy with Plex Media Server (https://www.plex.tv/) - easy to setup - many cool features - supports various file formats, devices, platforms etc.

 

Why do you say it is "too slow"?


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  Reply # 1707804 23-Jan-2017 09:16
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Skillie:

 

I am very happy with Plex Media Server (https://www.plex.tv/) - easy to setup - many cool features - supports various file formats, devices, platforms etc.

 

Why do you say it is "too slow"?

 

 

Probably because it's transcoder is a turd.

 

Yes I'm bitter about it.

 

 










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  Reply # 1707905 23-Jan-2017 10:47
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Probably Kodi is the way forward yeah :) I've got an Android box with Kodi to test out, and I've connected the box with my TV via HDMI, and from my TV via optic SPDIF to my Bluray Player. 

 

Works for most files, except the ones where the Bluray Player doesn't support the audio codec. Is there a way to transcode the audio file in Kodi? I.e. from DTS HD to DTS?

 

Skillie:

 

I am very happy with Plex Media Server (https://www.plex.tv/) - easy to setup - many cool features - supports various file formats, devices, platforms etc.

 

Why do you say it is "too slow"?

 

 

Just opening a folder via DLNA takes about 20 seconds. Playing a file just times out. 


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  Reply # 1707910 23-Jan-2017 10:58
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OK - I don't use the DLNA feature - we use Chromecast to stream Plex etc.


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  Reply # 1707912 23-Jan-2017 11:02
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I use Plex Server on my desktop PC (it is an i7, but it ran just fine on my previous i3 as well) and the Plex client in either my Amazon FireTV, or AppleTV (gen3). I prefer the AppleTV, but the AMazon works fine as well.

 

Easy to use, fast, good picture quality.


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  Reply # 1707915 23-Jan-2017 11:06
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I've got Plex on my synology NAS with no streaming issues.

Run Pled client on iPad, Android phone, Apple TV with no issues. In past also used rasplex on raspberry pi 2.

All videos in mp4 via Handbrake.

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  Reply # 1707916 23-Jan-2017 11:08
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boland:

 

Probably Kodi is the way forward yeah :) I've got an Android box with Kodi to test out, and I've connected the box with my TV via HDMI, and from my TV via optic SPDIF to my Bluray Player. 

 

Works for most files, except the ones where the Bluray Player doesn't support the audio codec. Is there a way to transcode the audio file in Kodi? I.e. from DTS HD to DTS?

 

Skillie:

 

I am very happy with Plex Media Server (https://www.plex.tv/) - easy to setup - many cool features - supports various file formats, devices, platforms etc.

 

Why do you say it is "too slow"?

 

 

Just opening a folder via DLNA takes about 20 seconds. Playing a file just times out. 

 

 

 

 

I have a similar getup. Except I run Kodi on the PC, stuff is stored on my NAS. And enable uPnP player/sharing in Kodi. And then use the tvs inbuilt media player to browse conten, No muxing etc and seems to not bat an eyelid. Could give that a shot. Its in system somewhere, but not on by default




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  Reply # 1707949 23-Jan-2017 11:50
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I've tried all settings available in Kodi, but still no sound / Kodi hangs. 

 

DD plus is apparently never supported via optic... 

 

Why is it so complicated to just watch TV ;)

 

I've now created a Bash script that converts the audio stream to AAC, via ffmpeg. That seems to do the trick! 


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  Reply # 1707972 23-Jan-2017 12:06
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TV doesn't allow passthrough via a medium designed for high bitrate audio? ripped off :)

 

I do recall seeing some models refuse to pass DD through, but they were super old. And others had an option to change the optical out type (PCM/Passthrough) Just double check its on digital


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  Reply # 1707990 23-Jan-2017 12:26
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boland:

 

Current set up is a NAS, MiniDLNA server on a Core2Duo Ubuntu box, and a Sony BluRay player. This works fine for 95% of the files. However, more and more files are not supported by the Sony.

 

MiniDLNA doesn't transcode, so I have been trying for hours to get Emby, Universal Media Server, and/or Plex running.

 

Emby: Low quality. UMS: Same issue, no transcoding. Plex: too slow.

 

 

 

This is just taking too much time, so I want to buy a media player. My most important feature is to play content from the NAS, either via DLNA, or directly via network (cable, not via WiFi(
Things like online services (Netflix, YouTube, etc.) are a very nice-to-have. 

 

I have done a lot of research, and now I am looking at the Roku Premiere Plus: https://www.roku.com/products/roku-premiere-plus
S
ee all file types supported here: https://support.roku.com/article/208754908-how-to-use-roku-media-player-to-play-your-videos-music-and-photos

 

It all seems to tick all the boxes, but I want to be 100% sure that it supports 99% of the file types out there. I could find one post of a guy where a certain file was not supported, but can't see to

 

I have also been looking at the Popcorn Hour, as I know that used to be best media player in terms of file support. But it's more expensive, and it doesn't seem to be so popular anymore.

 

I don't like Kodi BTW, as my experience is that you  need a mouse. I've got a Kodi box with remote keyboard+mouse, and a remote, but I need the keyboard most of the times.

 

Your experiences please! cool

 

 

Okay here my 2 Cents worth so if I understand it.

 

 * You have a BluRay player as the consumer of the files that maybe not getting updates for its DLNA player or end of life so has issues with codec's maybe new ones.

 

 * Your data lives on a NAS and you use an oldish machine Core 2 to process the data into a format that your Sony BluRay DLNA can understand.

 

Options.

 

 * Player upgrade needed, you decided on a Roku I don't see an issue if your happy I'm sure guys will comment but from looking at the specs it looks impressive with 4K and HDR, AC-WiFi

 

 *  Server - this is where I feel you also need to spread the love some or a number of your issues maybe due to it being a tad old. if your have the budget build a proper machine for this Intel I5 good amount of RAM and SSD for Transcoding.  If budget is an issue maybe look at a second had machine from TradeMe that has good bones and is not too expensive then refry add SSD or 2 one for OS one for Transcoding plus a Spindle drive if you need storage or you could just use your NAS oh plus some Memory if its lite.

 

*  Network  - Possible issue, check your throughput both Wired and WiFi to see if its good if not maybe a better router is needed also look at your NAS to see if its good enough.

 

 

 

My Setup has a Samsung 4K TV with integrated PLEX so I use PLEX now days just works, PC running as PLEX Media Server I can play 4K and 1080P without issue and without a handbrake on Transcoding most of the time, 1 in a hundred files may take time to Transcode but that's it. I use an old SSD as a Transcoding drive it works a treat.

 

 

 

Good Luck Boland

 

 

 

 




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  Reply # 1707992 23-Jan-2017 12:31
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Oblivian:

 

TV doesn't allow passthrough via a medium designed for high bitrate audio? ripped off :)

 

I do recall seeing some models refuse to pass DD through, but they were super old. And others had an option to change the optical out type (PCM/Passthrough) Just double check its on digital

 

 

Dolby Digital Plus via optical is not supported according to some blog post, bitrate it not high enough.




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  Reply # 1707993 23-Jan-2017 12:33
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DeepBlueSky:

 

boland:

 

Current set up is a NAS, MiniDLNA server on a Core2Duo Ubuntu box, and a Sony BluRay player. This works fine for 95% of the files. However, more and more files are not supported by the Sony.

 

MiniDLNA doesn't transcode, so I have been trying for hours to get Emby, Universal Media Server, and/or Plex running.

 

Emby: Low quality. UMS: Same issue, no transcoding. Plex: too slow.

 

 

 

This is just taking too much time, so I want to buy a media player. My most important feature is to play content from the NAS, either via DLNA, or directly via network (cable, not via WiFi(
Things like online services (Netflix, YouTube, etc.) are a very nice-to-have. 

 

I have done a lot of research, and now I am looking at the Roku Premiere Plus: https://www.roku.com/products/roku-premiere-plus
S
ee all file types supported here: https://support.roku.com/article/208754908-how-to-use-roku-media-player-to-play-your-videos-music-and-photos

 

It all seems to tick all the boxes, but I want to be 100% sure that it supports 99% of the file types out there. I could find one post of a guy where a certain file was not supported, but can't see to

 

I have also been looking at the Popcorn Hour, as I know that used to be best media player in terms of file support. But it's more expensive, and it doesn't seem to be so popular anymore.

 

I don't like Kodi BTW, as my experience is that you  need a mouse. I've got a Kodi box with remote keyboard+mouse, and a remote, but I need the keyboard most of the times.

 

Your experiences please! cool

 

 

Okay here my 2 Cents worth so if I understand it.

 

 * You have a BluRay player as the consumer of the files that maybe not getting updates for its DLNA player or end of life so has issues with codec's maybe new ones.

 

 * Your data lives on a NAS and you use an oldish machine Core 2 to process the data into a format that your Sony BluRay DLNA can understand.

 

Options.

 

 * Player upgrade needed, you decided on a Roku I don't see an issue if your happy I'm sure guys will comment but from looking at the specs it looks impressive with 4K and HDR, AC-WiFi

 

 *  Server - this is where I feel you also need to spread the love some or a number of your issues maybe due to it being a tad old. if your have the budget build a proper machine for this Intel I5 good amount of RAM and SSD for Transcoding.  If budget is an issue maybe look at a second had machine from TradeMe that has good bones and is not too expensive then refry add SSD or 2 one for OS one for Transcoding plus a Spindle drive if you need storage or you could just use your NAS oh plus some Memory if its lite.

 

*  Network  - Possible issue, check your throughput both Wired and WiFi to see if its good if not maybe a better router is needed also look at your NAS to see if its good enough.

 

 

 

My Setup has a Samsung 4K TV with integrated PLEX so I use PLEX now days just works, PC running as PLEX Media Server I can play 4K and 1080P without issue and without a handbrake on Transcoding most of the time, 1 in a hundred files may take time to Transcode but that's it. I use an old SSD as a Transcoding drive it works a treat.

 

 

 

Good Luck Boland

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks! I agree that player + server may need upgrading, but for now I've gone for the option to manually transcode files using ffpmeg CLI on the Ubuntu box. I could automatically do that for all my files. 


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Reply # 1708188 23-Jan-2017 17:05
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Seeing as I am detecting some blatant bias (inset smiley face here if I can get it to work) regarding Plex on this thread, I feel a desperate desire to plug Emby a bit as its feeling neglected. They also have a new Emby for Roku app in beta which might (or maybe not) be interesting. The Emby app for FireTV isn't bad and side loading Kodi on it can be quite pretty. Don't find the server slow (obviously mileage varies) though I just use our main 2 year old Win 10 PC as a server with gigabit ethernet and I wouldn't know Linux (or BASH) from my elbow.





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