Bang for buck TV $1000-$1500

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Gemini

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#2717409 2-Jun-2021 19:23

bfginger:
"I have been looking at hx700 and x8000h but in 65"+ range."

in 65" the HX700 is VA and the X8000H is IPS so the HX700 will have much better contrast.

im actually confused about what is better after looking at rtings.
tvs with better contrast seem to be less bright in this price range so do I need to choose between dark room and bright room performance?
i feel like brightness must be important especially given that it drops over a tvs lifespan

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grolschie

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#2717444 2-Jun-2021 20:40

Not sure about TVs losing brightness, but we still have a 2013 Panasonic 50" with a VA panel that still looks great. Only upgraded to get a bigger size and 4K otherwise it would still be our main TV.

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#2717518 3-Jun-2021 08:48

Gemini:
im actually confused about what is better after looking at rtings.
tvs with better contrast seem to be less bright in this price range so do I need to choose between dark room and bright room performance?
i feel like brightness must be important especially given that it drops over a tvs lifespan

There is no "better", only what is more suitable for the type of content you watch and the light control of the room you watch it in. And this thread is biased towards the low-end, so there are going to be inherent trade-offs for that price. If you watch a lot of serious atmospheric content featuring darkly lit scenes, then higher contrast is probably going to be more important to you. But if you watch a lot of sports, news, reality TV shows etc; then brightness is probably going to be more important. And LCD-LED TVs have half-lives typically lasting in the tens-of-thousands of hours, so I wouldn't worry about losing brightness.

The highest contrast LCD-LED TVs uses VA panels in conjunction with Full Array Local Dimming (FALD) backlights, but you are paying a price premium for this design. The Samsung QLED range can are a good example of this (at an even higher price premium, of course), but even some mid-range manufacturers have turned out decent high contrast models. A cheap TV is still a cheap TV though, so low-end VA equipped TVs will cut corners.

IPS panels are better suited to brightly lit or low contrast material, and where you may need the wider viewing angles to cater to a larger audience. This is why they occupy the bottom of the market, since they look better to the every-person consumer. They have inherent problems with "grey" blacks and uniformity though, so they suffer with low luminance content. Especially since they are often paired with no or crappy local dimming implementations.

Gemini

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#2718511 5-Jun-2021 09:17

Yes I see the big step up in rtings scores a Sony FALD has over cheaper Samsung/Sony edge lit. Thanks for pointing that out, definitely worth considering.
For starters though will a TU7000 / X7000G have a better picture with 1080p TV shows, movies and games than my 10 year old Sony EX400. I dont have 4k or an HDR console.
IDK what type of panel the EX400 has but the picture is not as good as our IPS Panasonic X50Z 720p LCD.
Part of the reason I ask is I read somewhere the ex400 was 400nits bright (claimed) which is brighter than the TU7000 233nits SDR peak according to rtings and I'm not sure why!

Thing is I've been burnt before by the wifes preferences. She didn't like the first projector I bought because it was too dark with the lights out. Then I bought a projector so bright it illuminates the room but she doesn't like the fan noise (even in eco mode). So hoping 3rd time lucky here!

bfginger

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#2728159 13-Jun-2021 20:14

"For starters though will a TU7000 / X7000G have a better picture with 1080p TV shows, movies and games than my 10 year old Sony EX400. I dont have 4k or an HDR console.
IDK what type of panel the EX400 has but the picture is not as good as our IPS Panasonic X50Z 720p LCD. "

Your EX400 likely has a 50Hz CCFL panel so motion should be terrible.

The two aforementioned 7000s are entry level TVs aimed at people who aren't pedantic about picture quality but they should be better than a 50Hz 1080p CCFL LCD. The X7000G has a weaker smart system. Both lines look like they may be a mixture of IPS and VA panels depending on size.

Are you sure the X50Z isn't a 768p 2012 plasma?

Gemini

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#2728178 13-Jun-2021 21:40

bfginger:
"For starters though will a TU7000 / X7000G have a better picture with 1080p TV shows, movies and games than my 10 year old Sony EX400. I dont have 4k or an HDR console.
IDK what type of panel the EX400 has but the picture is not as good as our IPS Panasonic X50Z 720p LCD. "

Your EX400 likely has a 50Hz CCFL panel so motion should be terrible.

The two aforementioned 7000s are entry level TVs aimed at people who aren't pedantic about picture quality but they should be better than a 50Hz 1080p CCFL LCD. The X7000G has a weaker smart system. Both lines look like they may be a mixture of IPS and VA panels depending on size.

Are you sure the X50Z isn't a 768p 2012 plasma?

They are both CCFL, the X50Z is 32" IPS, so maybe the EX400 is TN?
The 7000s are 50 or 60Hz too yeah?

bfginger

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#2729390 15-Jun-2021 23:56

TN panels are rare to very rare in TV LCDs. Sony often used IPS or VA panels at random back then.

CCFL was the backlight technology, meaning fluorescent tubes, which was separate from whether it was IPS or VA. All LCDs now have LED backlights be they IPS, VA or something else. LED backlit LCDs tend to have better motion because the backlight can be turned off and on instantly which can be used to enhance motion perception.

"The 7000s are 50 or 60Hz too yeah?"

I think so. There are 100Hz LCD TVs available still.

NoSpoon

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#2743353 12-Jul-2021 19:17

Despite this thread being only a few weeks old it appears some of the models suggested have now been superseded. Looking for much the same as everyone else the thread - around 50”, 4K, and software/interface that doesn’t make me cry.

One question I do have - recording Freeview. I currently (with my failing media PC I’ve had for years) record the odd series from FTA TV. I realise most (all?) TVs have OnDemand baked in now, but would be handy if I could record, then play back with the ability to skip ads. Not a show stopper (will fall back to OnDemand with ads if I have to), but would be nice to have.

grolschie

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#2743415 12-Jul-2021 19:44

My 2020 Panasonic can record to USB. Maybe the 2021 ones do also. The downside is you cannot pause live tv like we can on our old 2013 model.

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