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  Reply # 581235 14-Feb-2012 10:36
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sqlpro:
bazzer: It could be my setup, but I've not found the DD on Freeview to be that great. You might find DVD/Blu-ray audio more pleasing.


may be its personal taste but i like it especially C4 music ( i set my sound level -30db). corssover setting really made a difference for me though.

re blu ray discs , i read somewhere that its better to put on "straight" mode. cant tell you out exact performance as i've only 1 blu ray disc (Earth) which sounded great on both straight and drama mode.

Except C4 isn't dolby digital/surround sound. My issue I have is that heavy LFE seem to suck the life out of the other channels. I haven't noticed the same when watching DVDs/Blu-ray/PS3 games etc so I don't think it's my setup but maybe I need to look into it.



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  Reply # 581246 14-Feb-2012 11:16
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sqlpro:
bazzer: It could be my setup, but I've not found the DD on Freeview to be that great. You might find DVD/Blu-ray audio more pleasing.


may be its personal taste but i like it especially C4 music ( i set my sound level -30db). corssover setting really made a difference for me though.

re blu ray discs , i read somewhere that its better to put on "straight" mode. cant tell you out exact performance as i've only 1 blu ray disc (Earth) which sounded great on both straight and drama mode.

Except C4 isn't dolby digital/surround sound. My issue I have is that heavy LFE seem to suck the life out of the other channels. I haven't noticed the same when watching DVDs/Blu-ray/PS3 games etc so I don't think it's my setup but maybe I need to look into it.


oh! ok, i thought you are referring to cinema DSP on yamaha amplifiers.

yes you are right , some movies (on freeview) sounded better than others, for e.g. the other day we watched "Ice age" which sounded great but fast and furious was horrible.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 581265 14-Feb-2012 12:07
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Yeah I'd be careful to make the distinction between sources that are genuine surround sounds and ones that are only 2 channel stereo, albeit in a 5.1 container. In the latter case, your receiver does some calculations to determine what 'bits' of the sound to send to what speaker and this made up surround sound approximation will be quite different to a true 5.1 source, where your receiver applies no additional manipulation.

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  Reply # 581451 14-Feb-2012 17:15
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To the OP - try setting your crossover so that it's under 100hz.
When you go above 100hz, the bass becomes somewhat directional, meaning the subwoofer won't blend seamlessly into the room.
Of course, it will always depend on your room, your seated position, the main speaker capabilities and your ears - as they will also have a say on how you set up your home theatre.



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  Reply # 581659 15-Feb-2012 09:02
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Dunnersfella: To the OP - try setting your crossover so that it's under 100hz.
When you go above 100hz, the bass becomes somewhat directional, meaning the subwoofer won't blend seamlessly into the room.
Of course, it will always depend on your room, your seated position, the main speaker capabilities and your ears - as they will also have a say on how you set up your home theatre.


in my case, yamaha manual suggested that i should set it to 200hz. probably because of my tiny front/rear speakers. but i find that 120hz sounded better than 200hz with slightly loss of bass

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  Reply # 581690 15-Feb-2012 10:16
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Dunnersfella: To the OP - try setting your crossover so that it's under 100hz.


With satellites you run a huge risk of creating a hole with no response, depending on when your satellite lower frequency response drops off.  Usually a satellite systems 'subwoofer' is tuned quite high to compensate for the smaller main speakers, but yes the consequence is often directionality problems.  These systems could all benefit from a separate subwoofer component.

It's a fundamental flaw, as mentioned by Dunnersfella, sound becomes directional at higher frequencies.  So you've got one unit doing bass and the low components of directional higher frequencies.

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  Reply # 581759 15-Feb-2012 12:13
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sqlpro:
Dunnersfella: To the OP - try setting your crossover so that it's under 100hz.
When you go above 100hz, the bass becomes somewhat directional, meaning the subwoofer won't blend seamlessly into the room.
Of course, it will always depend on your room, your seated position, the main speaker capabilities and your ears - as they will also have a say on how you set up your home theatre.


in my case, yamaha manual suggested that i should set it to 200hz. probably because of my tiny front/rear speakers. but i find that 120hz sounded better than 200hz with slightly loss of bass


I'm surprised it even lets you set it that high, you usually wouldn't want it any higher than 120Hz.

I've got my satelites set to "small" with a crossover at 80Hz (my receiver lets me set individual hi/lo pass filters for the satellites and the sub) and the subwoofer is set to 90Hz so there's a small amount of overlap (i've no idea how steep it's crossover curve is).

The higher the volume you intend running through small satellites, the higher you should cross them over at, within reason.

The YPAO system generally works pretty well, it's certainly good as a starting point.

The speakers in that kit look big enough that they should be able to handle down to 100Hz, can't see any obvious specs though.






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  Reply # 581779 15-Feb-2012 12:44
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sqlpro:
Dunnersfella: To the OP - try setting your crossover so that it's under 100hz.
When you go above 100hz, the bass becomes somewhat directional, meaning the subwoofer won't blend seamlessly into the room.
Of course, it will always depend on your room, your seated position, the main speaker capabilities and your ears - as they will also have a say on how you set up your home theatre.


in my case, yamaha manual suggested that i should set it to 200hz. probably because of my tiny front/rear speakers. but i find that 120hz sounded better than 200hz with slightly loss of bass


I'm surprised it even lets you set it that high, you usually wouldn't want it any higher than 120Hz.

I've got my satelites set to "small" with a crossover at 80Hz (my receiver lets me set individual hi/lo pass filters for the satellites and the sub) and the subwoofer is set to 90Hz so there's a small amount of overlap (i've no idea how steep it's crossover curve is).

The higher the volume you intend running through small satellites, the higher you should cross them over at, within reason.

The YPAO system generally works pretty well, it's certainly good as a starting point.

The speakers in that kit look big enough that they should be able to handle down to 100Hz, can't see any obvious specs though.


when i ran YPAO , it set crossover at 160hz , though generally i liked it but many programs sounded bit too loud. when i changed setting to 120hz it sounded better on most programs.

i'll put up my speaker specs in the evening when i go home.
BTW i cannot set crossover for each speaker individually as there is only one setting under speaker setup.



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  Reply # 582149 16-Feb-2012 07:18
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See my home theatre specifications here (yamaha yht 296)


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sqlpro: BTW i cannot set crossover for each speaker individually as there is only one setting under speaker setup.


Don't worry, this is normal. 

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