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  #333154 21-May-2010 21:42
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Kyanar:
Flashcards: The SCC is owned by Telecom New Zealand (50%), SingTel Optus (40%) and Verizon Business (10%):
http://www.southerncrosscables.com/public/AboutUs/default.cfm?PageID=9

Do you think these players will allow a 2nd pipe into NZ WITHOUT owning at least a significant portion of it? That emphasises my point about Telecom's monopoly status. It allows them to leverage that monopoly to control current AND future telecommunications infrastructure in this country. In that sense we will ALWAYS be at their mercy - and they KNOW IT.


And you'd be wrong.  Kordia is already in the process of constructing a second cable to Australia (at which point one could simply peer with one of the larger competitive pipes from there)


Yeah and young sam morgan and others have formed pacific fibre that want to make a very fast cable direct from nz to the usa which will be even better.  They apparently were in talks with kordia too...
http://www.pacificfibre.net/

Would be great if it goes ahead... what nz really needs especially if fibre to the door goes ahead too..

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  #333157 21-May-2010 21:49
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that's bullsh1t..."monthly data cap" is something completely unheard of for people living in many other countries....Japan, Korea, China, USA etc etc..


I will switch to ORCON once I hear from Telecom. Good BYE....

 
 
 
 


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  #333161 21-May-2010 22:04
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Kilack:
NZ pricing on the southern cross cable is supposed to be pegged to the Australian prices under an agreement.

Can't answer your other question abut why we end up paying more though.


Anyone on this forum who can answer this?  I'd like to believe there is an answer other than that we are getting ripped off.

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  #333165 21-May-2010 22:13
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Sorry SauronJones I would like to believe in the tooth fairy and santa clause but hey simply put we are getting ripped off hehe. Really what we need is to have better data caps for about the same prices we have now either that or at least offer decent sized plans.

If you looked at the data usage thread you can see a lot of people are using well over 50 gig which quite a decent range of isp's seem to not offer greater than 50 gig plans at all. We get ripped off plain and simple.

ISP's (please no haters as i'm sure to have missed a few of the good ones here) that offer data at decent prices generally do well (Xnet @$1.02 or $1.54(i think) per gig and Slingshots Data Block buying are some of the best prices you can get.

I use Xnet torrent plan 75 gig off peak and generally use close to that each month with anywhere from 5 - 20 gig on peak times (me being impatient for my tv shows) and yet my bills only work out at approx $80 - $100 per month for that 90 gig that's great value and well worth it. Other ISP's just need to offer more data options for people.

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  #333169 21-May-2010 22:30
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Kyanar:
Flashcards: The SCC is owned by Telecom New Zealand (50%), SingTel Optus (40%) and Verizon Business (10%):
http://www.southerncrosscables.com/public/AboutUs/default.cfm?PageID=9

Do you think these players will allow a 2nd pipe into NZ WITHOUT owning at least a significant portion of it? That emphasises my point about Telecom's monopoly status. It allows them to leverage that monopoly to control current AND future telecommunications infrastructure in this country. In that sense we will ALWAYS be at their mercy - and they KNOW IT.


And you'd be wrong.  Kordia is already in the process of constructing a second cable to Australia (at which point one could simply peer with one of the larger competitive pipes from there)


Um, actually, I'm not wrong YET and you are making som BIG assumptions, which are a long way from coming true...

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  #333170 21-May-2010 22:31
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Kilack:
Kyanar:
Flashcards: The SCC is owned by Telecom New Zealand (50%), SingTel Optus (40%) and Verizon Business (10%):
http://www.southerncrosscables.com/public/AboutUs/default.cfm?PageID=9

Do you think these players will allow a 2nd pipe into NZ WITHOUT owning at least a significant portion of it? That emphasises my point about Telecom's monopoly status. It allows them to leverage that monopoly to control current AND future telecommunications infrastructure in this country. In that sense we will ALWAYS be at their mercy - and they KNOW IT.


And you'd be wrong.  Kordia is already in the process of constructing a second cable to Australia (at which point one could simply peer with one of the larger competitive pipes from there)


Yeah and young sam morgan and others have formed pacific fibre that want to make a very fast cable direct from nz to the usa which will be even better.  They apparently were in talks with kordia too...
http://www.pacificfibre.net/

Would be great if it goes ahead... what nz really needs especially if fibre to the door goes ahead too..


I wish them the best of luck. They'll need it against Telecom.

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#333171 21-May-2010 22:45
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SparX711:
freitasm:
nzpossum: Why not give people unlimited off peak data


Why don't we make free self-service petrol from 1am through 6am?


No need to answer. It's a rethorical question.




Hostile response to a potentially genuine idea and this is a stance you often present. I know i have only just joined so i can post my humble opinions but i have been reading for quite some time. i find your attitude towards other posters lacking perspective and consideration. 


You are not making many friends from the start then, right?








 
 
 
 


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  #333172 21-May-2010 22:50
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freitasm:
SparX711:
freitasm:
nzpossum: Why not give people unlimited off peak data


Why don't we make free self-service petrol from 1am through 6am?


No need to answer. It's a rethorical question.




Hostile response to a potentially genuine idea and this is a stance you often present. I know i have only just joined so i can post my humble opinions but i have been reading for quite some time. i find your attitude towards other posters lacking perspective and consideration. 


Noit making many friends from the start then, right?




Not here for the atmosphere... 

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  #333173 21-May-2010 22:53
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Flashcards:
Kilack:
Kyanar:
Flashcards: The SCC is owned by Telecom New Zealand (50%), SingTel Optus (40%) and Verizon Business (10%):
http://www.southerncrosscables.com/public/AboutUs/default.cfm?PageID=9

Do you think these players will allow a 2nd pipe into NZ WITHOUT owning at least a significant portion of it? That emphasises my point about Telecom's monopoly status. It allows them to leverage that monopoly to control current AND future telecommunications infrastructure in this country. In that sense we will ALWAYS be at their mercy - and they KNOW IT.


And you'd be wrong.  Kordia is already in the process of constructing a second cable to Australia (at which point one could simply peer with one of the larger competitive pipes from there)


Yeah and young sam morgan and others have formed pacific fibre that want to make a very fast cable direct from nz to the usa which will be even better.  They apparently were in talks with kordia too...
http://www.pacificfibre.net/

Would be great if it goes ahead... what nz really needs especially if fibre to the door goes ahead too..


I wish them the best of luck. They'll need it against Telecom.




hahaha it be a joke "what nz really needs especially if fibre to the door goes ahead too." dont get me started on fibre   20gb caps   , oops gone in 4 hrs now we can be on dial up speed for the next month hahaha

but hey got fibre to the door thou   :P




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  #333177 21-May-2010 23:36
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hungugu: that's bullsh1t..."monthly data cap" is something completely unheard of for people living in many other countries....Japan, Korea, China, USA etc etc..

Yes, and how much of their traffic is local compared to NZ?

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  #333183 22-May-2010 00:31
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hungugu: that's bullsh1t..."monthly data cap" is something completely unheard of for people living in many other countries....Japan, Korea, China, USA etc etc..


I will switch to ORCON once I hear from Telecom. Good BYE....


or not...

http://gizmodo.com/5043253/comcasts-250gb-data-caps-now-official-starting-in-october

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Comcast will initiate a 250 GB monthly data usage threshold for all residential Comcast High-Speed Internet accounts. This threshold will be in place to provide a clear definition of what would constitute as excessive use of the service.

The new monthly data usage threshold will go into effect starting October 1, 2008."

 

 

 

 

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  #333188 22-May-2010 01:10
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NonprayingMantis:
hungugu: that's bullsh1t..."monthly data cap" is something completely unheard of for people living in many other countries....Japan, Korea, China, USA etc etc..


I will switch to ORCON once I hear from Telecom. Good BYE....


or not...

http://gizmodo.com/5043253/comcasts-250gb-data-caps-now-official-starting-in-october

"
Comcast will initiate a 250 GB monthly data usage threshold for all residential Comcast High-Speed Internet accounts. This threshold will be in place to provide a clear definition of what would constitute as excessive use of the service.

The new monthly data usage threshold will go into effect starting October 1, 2008."

 
 


Just goes to show how far behind the "world" our internet service/providers are when Comcast are putting a threshold of 250gb usage on it's High -speed accounts back in '08 .
What were our plans back in '08 ? Dial -up ?
Hell we can't even get a data plan in 2010 that can compete with that nor the speed. 


Why couldn't Telecom issue a statement like that to the users of Big time??? They obviously didn't listen or take the time to listen to  there clients  like Comcast were... You don't see Comcast just shutting down the plan. Seems like common sense no ?





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  #333189 22-May-2010 01:12
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cafeg: Ok, hows this for a pickle.
I just rang telecom to find out how much my monthly usage has been on Bigtime so I know which plan to change to when changes happen.
And guess what, all they can see is the same as I can see on my usage page:
0.00 used since last december

He tried to sell me a 20 gig plan which we would probly use up in a week.
The last time I could see our usage last year we were using 80 to 100 gig a month.
We have 3 overseas uni students in the house which are heavy users as most students are.

The CSR I spoke to knew nothing about the $2 per gig on the PRO plan from july either...


Hmm, no usage... Do you have TiVo???

Another failure. TiVo's usage is still charging so they turn off specific customers usage... I'm not sure how well known this fact is considering they have missed their sales target in a BIG way.

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/tivo-sales-miss-target-118459

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  #333191 22-May-2010 01:26
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SauronJones:

If SXC pricing for NZ is the same as AU how come they can have plans like the one mentioned earlier in this thread (80GB peak and 220GB off-peak) for a relatively affordable price and we can't.

Am I incorrect in my previous belief that the international bandwidth is a big problem?  Or is it that if these higher capped plans were allowed it is, in fact, the local infrastructure that could not handle the additional load?

I'm just keen to understand how it works, and don't want to be making arguments based on false assumptions.


Firstly economies 101:  Economies of scale

Fixed costs are spread over a much larger number of users.  The largest ISP's in NZ are tiny by comparison to the ISP's in Aussie.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/economiesofscale.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_scale

Additionally:

Australia has many more providers of networks between cities/regions meaning cheaper backhaul prices

Unbundling occured earlier meaning more ISP's installed their own equipment in exchanges increasing competition at the adsl port costs level.


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  #333192 22-May-2010 01:28
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Kyanar:
And you'd be wrong.  Kordia is already in the process of constructing a second cable to Australia (at which point one could simply peer with one of the larger competitive pipes from there)


Kordia does not have confirmed funding for this yet.

Also the NZ to AU leg of PIPE is unlikley to have any affect on competition or pricing now.  The AU to Guam leg is already complete and operational in Aussie, so it's already effectively had an effect on competition and as we know SXC bandwidth pricing is the same for AU and NZ.. and as we know most NZ ISP's (apart from Telecom and Telstra) are too small to buy direct from SXC and buy from resellers eg: Pacnet/Asianetcom, Verizon, Vocus etc.

Personally I have a lot of faith that Pacific Fibre will go ahead and succed it's backed by some serious legends in the NZ tech industry.  They are very serious about bringing international transit costs for NZ'ers down.

Pacific Fibre cables up and running, 1-3 years away
FFTH is more like 10 years away.

So I'm much more concerned about connection/port cost and local backhaul costs holding us back in the near the future than international transit.



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