I should clarify that the abuse I spoke of was actually from a then (and still current, AFAIK) employee of VF. On the flipside of the coin, I feel sorry for people like Mike Hales who, despite the occasional slip up (which undoubtedly has more to do with VF putting him in an invidious position of being unable to answer/be truthful) has represented VF on here and elsewhere in a much classier way than ahem a few (former) frequent VF staffers-posters on here ever have.