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  # 1695734 28-Dec-2016 11:22
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Scotty1986:

 

Vodafone, seriously, whats up!? Why do I only get close to advertised speeds using ONE particular Speedtest server, and the server I was told to use for "Accurate" speed tests? Any other server, I get less than half of what i pay for, when I test out of Wellington, even more. Why does it feel like the pipe to the ACSData server is clean and empty to get me the best results, then real world servers and services are slow and sluggish? The upload speeds are also very inconsistent, and even on the optimized server I get far less what I pay for. Real world speeds on thing's like Steam, Origin and torrents and normally no better than when I was on 100/10 Mb/s. At time they are pretty good, but then they plummet. what does happen when I get a good speed while downloading, it ramps up nicely, I smile, then I watch it fall down, often to a crawl of KB/s, I change download servers, same thing. Why does Speedtest default to Auckland severs when I am in Wellington? Why does the distance to servers say 50 miles sometime's to Auckland servers and 300 miles to Wellington? Vodafone, what gives?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

OK, the core of the reason why you have one NZ Speed-test that gives "optimized" results then a whole bunch of other NZ ones that do can be explained very simply. This explanation also covers why other more open service providers do not suffer such poor results with NZ speed-test servers -

 

1. Speed-test servers use bandwidth that is provided free by volunteer's

 

2. Volunteers usually provide this bandwidth so they have a direct big fat pipe between their customers and the speed-test server so that their customers can effectively measure the last mile and have it look good

 

3. Vodafone refuses to peer their network at the common peering exchanges in New Zealand (they used to peer, they de-peered to try and force all smaller ISP's (apart from Telecom) to buy a so called "domestic" service from them or Telecom). This means that traffic to/from an ISP other than themselves or Spark needs to transit a paid "domestic" link (or go via Australia) and these are normally significantly smaller and more constrained than traffic transiting the open peering links

 

4. The it starts fast, then slows down for the rest of the test that you see on the slower speed-tests is likely the rate shaping on the donating ISP's "domestic" link

 

5. I assume the one that works well connects to someone that has a commercial agreement that gives them a large "domestic" link to Vodafone in Wellington.

 

 

 

The situation above is well documented but largely forgotten about now days. All ISP's other than Spark/Vodafone are still effectively forced to buy a so called "domestic" link from one of the gang of two or have the traffic to/from their customers to Spark/Vodafone go via Australia or the USA. TelstraClear de-peered many years ago and then Telecom followed suit. There was no technical reason for this, just pure commercial greed and as long as its all gone quiet then nothing will change going forward.

 

 

 

 




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  # 1695735 28-Dec-2016 11:24
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Dairyxox:

 

 

Excellent results were 945/95Mb/s to the Vodafone Wellington server. I was one of the few that did not have issues with cable, I got a constant 101/10Mb/s even during peak times. My street is surrounded by fibre except a 400m area where I happen to be, so I assume there is not many of us using cable. So went into this upgrade expecting things to be no different. Sure I had the odd problem with cable 100/10, but these normally fixed themselves pretty quick. 

 

 

Thanks, and you got this in the last day or two right?

 

Now sbiddle might understand that its not your PC.

 

 

I have been on FibreX for over a month now, maybe 2. Things have been getting worse by the day. Smells like congestion issues. 


 
 
 
 


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  # 1695737 28-Dec-2016 11:25
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Yes it has to be node congestion when you are the only one affected.




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  # 1695739 28-Dec-2016 11:28
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Pumpedd:

 

Scotty1986:

 

These a multiple torrents, torrents that completed in seconds on 100/10MB/s with high amounts of seeders. Yes, I told Vodafone all of this but the best I got was a "restart your devices" "connect to the router directly" (which I am) etc etc. He would not even log a fault, but did say he will call back at 9am this morning, but that has come and gone. So just all the usual reason's why I don't waste my time with Vodafone support really. If they call me back I will push again for a ticket to be logged. Was hoping that FibreX would ease the wait for real fibre in June next year, or even be a better alternative, but its not. I had fibre for a year at my old house and it was amazing! 

 

 

So many folk have gone Gbit for the wrong reasons and in  fact would have been just as good on 100/10.

 

 

I starting to see that now.


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  # 1695741 28-Dec-2016 11:29
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Dairyxox:

 

 

Excellent results were 945/95Mb/s to the Vodafone Wellington server. I was one of the few that did not have issues with cable, I got a constant 101/10Mb/s even during peak times. My street is surrounded by fibre except a 400m area where I happen to be, so I assume there is not many of us using cable. So went into this upgrade expecting things to be no different. Sure I had the odd problem with cable 100/10, but these normally fixed themselves pretty quick. 

 

 

Thanks, and you got this in the last day or two right?

 

Now sbiddle might understand that its not your PC.

 

 

It's very easy to get good speed results to one server but not another and for the PC to be at fault.

 

 




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  # 1695746 28-Dec-2016 11:31
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Pumpedd:

 

Yes it has to be node congestion when you are the only one affected.

 

 

Not everyone in my suburb keeps up to date with Geekzone. I'm only going off what I witnessed with "Krapi cable", this is how it started. I will do some more tests tonight at peak times and note any differences. 


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  # 1695748 28-Dec-2016 11:34
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noroad:

 

 

 

The situation above is well documented but largely forgotten about now days. All ISP's other than Spark/Vodafone are still effectively forced to buy a so called "domestic" link from one of the gang of two or have the traffic to/from their customers to Spark/Vodafone go via Australia or the USA. TelstraClear de-peered many years ago and then Telecom followed suit. There was no technical reason for this, just pure commercial greed and as long as its all gone quiet then nothing will change going forward.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Further to this, the result of this is you will never get good results to any speedtest server that is not hosted by Spark/Vodafone unless the donating ISP pays Spark/Vodafone a significant amount for this forced "domestic" rip-off. So for the Vodafone customers to get a better result the donating isp has to pay Vodafone. As you can imagine, ISP's are normally reluctant to pay to improve competitors results. All the noise and FUD that the Vodafone front end may use to justify the less than optimal results is just a smoke screen covering the real reason. This is why, for example a 2degrees or Vocus (Slingshot, Orcon, Flip) customer will not normally see this sort of degradation but a Vodafone customer will.


 
 
 
 


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  # 1695749 28-Dec-2016 11:35
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sbiddle:

 

Dairyxox:

 

 

Excellent results were 945/95Mb/s to the Vodafone Wellington server. I was one of the few that did not have issues with cable, I got a constant 101/10Mb/s even during peak times. My street is surrounded by fibre except a 400m area where I happen to be, so I assume there is not many of us using cable. So went into this upgrade expecting things to be no different. Sure I had the odd problem with cable 100/10, but these normally fixed themselves pretty quick. 

 

 

Thanks, and you got this in the last day or two right?

 

Now sbiddle might understand that its not your PC.

 

 

It's very easy to get good speed results to one server but not another and for the PC to be at fault.

 

 

I guess its possible but cmon, you're clutching at straws now, in this case his PC is obviously capable of gigabit speeds.

 

Do you want to help him troubleshoot some of these 'easy' 'faults' to do with his PC?




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  # 1695750 28-Dec-2016 11:35
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sbiddle:

 

Dairyxox:

 

 

Excellent results were 945/95Mb/s to the Vodafone Wellington server. I was one of the few that did not have issues with cable, I got a constant 101/10Mb/s even during peak times. My street is surrounded by fibre except a 400m area where I happen to be, so I assume there is not many of us using cable. So went into this upgrade expecting things to be no different. Sure I had the odd problem with cable 100/10, but these normally fixed themselves pretty quick. 

 

 

Thanks, and you got this in the last day or two right?

 

Now sbiddle might understand that its not your PC.

 

 

It's very easy to get good speed results to one server but not another and for the PC to be at fault.

 

 

 

 

sbiddle, I respect you, I see you on Geekzone a lot and you are very knowledgeable, but I'm not sure how else I can prove to you that my PC is just fine. Its up to date, latest everything, hardware, drivers and software. This issue is not localized to just one device. I am currently downloading a game on both PC and laptop, both a downloading in the KB's. [EDIT] Now its downloading in the MB/s, maybe I will get to play today!




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  # 1695752 28-Dec-2016 11:38
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noroad:

 

noroad:

 

 

 

The situation above is well documented but largely forgotten about now days. All ISP's other than Spark/Vodafone are still effectively forced to buy a so called "domestic" link from one of the gang of two or have the traffic to/from their customers to Spark/Vodafone go via Australia or the USA. TelstraClear de-peered many years ago and then Telecom followed suit. There was no technical reason for this, just pure commercial greed and as long as its all gone quiet then nothing will change going forward.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Further to this, the result of this is you will never get good results to any speedtest server that is not hosted by Spark/Vodafone unless the donating ISP pays Spark/Vodafone a significant amount for this forced "domestic" rip-off. So for the Vodafone customers to get a better result the donating isp has to pay Vodafone. As you can imagine, ISP's are normally reluctant to pay to improve competitors results. All the noise and FUD that the Vodafone front end may use to justify the less than optimal results is just a smoke screen covering the real reason. This is why, for example a 2degrees or Vocus (Slingshot, Orcon, Flip) customer will not normally see this sort of degradation but a Vodafone customer will.

 

 

Spark Wellington

 

 

Vodafone Wellington

 

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  # 1695754 28-Dec-2016 11:43
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noroad:

 

 

 

Further to this, the result of this is you will never get good results to any speedtest server that is not hosted by Spark/Vodafone unless the donating ISP pays Spark/Vodafone a significant amount for this forced "domestic" rip-off. So for the Vodafone customers to get a better result the donating isp has to pay Vodafone. As you can imagine, ISP's are normally reluctant to pay to improve competitors results. All the noise and FUD that the Vodafone front end may use to justify the less than optimal results is just a smoke screen covering the real reason. This is why, for example a 2degrees or Vocus (Slingshot, Orcon, Flip) customer will not normally see this sort of degradation but a Vodafone customer will.

 

 

 

 

2004/2008 articles on de-peering -->

 

http://www.computerworld.co.nz/article/53080/telstraclear_okays_de-peering_policy/

 

http://www.computerworld.co.nz/article/502902/telstraclear_starts_de-peering_week/

 

https://list.waikato.ac.nz/pipermail/nznog/2008-November/014691.html


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  # 1695756 28-Dec-2016 11:43
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@Scotty1986 Nothing wrong with the results above! What do you think is wrong?

 

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  # 1695761 28-Dec-2016 11:55
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download this: http://ucmirror.canterbury.ac.nz/linux/ubuntu/16.10/ubuntu-16.10-desktop-i386.iso

 

What speeds do you get?

 

anyone else with cable or fibre what speeds do you get?


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  # 1695762 28-Dec-2016 11:58
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Scotty1986:

 

 

 

Spark Wellington

 

 

Vodafone Wellington

 

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The Vodafone Wellington one will be direct connected and effectively measuring last mile within Wellington. I suspect the Spark one (from the latency) will be transiting via a private peer in Auckland, thus the different result in attainable speed. Neither of these results will be transiting any constrained "paid for" "domestic" link, thus the good results.

 

 


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  # 1695764 28-Dec-2016 12:02
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Jase2985:

 

download this: http://ucmirror.canterbury.ac.nz/linux/ubuntu/16.10/ubuntu-16.10-desktop-i386.iso

 

What speeds do you get?

 

anyone else with cable or fibre what speeds do you get?

 

 

 

 

Do a traceroute as well, that way the results can be analyzed on more than just basic speed.


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